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Now that OTAs and Minicamp are over... 

Give me your 53 Man Roster Predictions. 

 

Here's mine. 

 

QB: Aaron Rodgers, DeShone Kizer [2/2]

Unless Kizer completely bombs this should be the QB depth chart for Week 1. Hundley gets moved at final cuts for a conditional late RD pick. Boyle to the PS. 

RB: Aaron Jones, Ty Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Ripkowski (FB) [4/6]

Another position that has a fairly predictable depth chart. I don't think Mays or Bouagnon will force themselves onto the 53 Man Roster, but if either outperforms expectations they could create a spot on the 53 Man Roster in a year IF they also contribute on STs. Both have the size of TE/FB/LB bodies that McCarthy likes for STs and there isn't a tremendous amount of depth at TE or LB so it's conceivable that another RB could make the roster. 

WR: Davante Adams, Randall Cobb, Geronimo Allison, J'Mon Moore, Equanimeous St. Brown, Marquez Valdes-Scantling [6/12] 

Top 2 are locks. J'Mon Moore is a near-lock. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if all 3 rookies made the roster. I expect Kumerow and Davis to push for a spot on the 53 Man Roster. If Davis doesn't make the final roster I suspect he will be claimed by someone else. Yancey was the worst WR in TC last year, and I hope the weight loss has a positive effect, but I sincerely doubt it. IMHO  the Michael Clark experiment was DOA as soon as the Packers drafted 3 big, tall, and fast WRs. Honestly believe based on what I saw in TC last year that Clark's performance and "wow" moments may have inadvertently lead to his own demise. It certainly wouldn't be a stretch to say the Packers prioritized size for Rodgers' targets this off-season (Graham, Lewis, Moore, MVS, EQB). 

TE: Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, Emanuel Byrd  [3/15]

Packers can save about 1.2 Million by cutting Kendricks. Before the Lewis signing I would've opined that Byrd would've been hard pressed to make the 53 Man Roster because the TE position would've lacked size (with both Kendricks AND Byrd), but with the additions of Lewis and Graham, Byrd could be a cheap "like for like" swap with Kendricks that might be more willing/valuable on STs. Marcedes Lewis was more spry than I recall, and I think all that MMA training has significantly improved his flexibility (vs. where he was at 5 years ago). I'd look for Tonyan to make a serious push. Ryan Smith seems to have potential as a run blocker,. Ultimately, I think the final roster spot comes down to Kendricks, Byrd and Tonyan.  

OL: David Bakhtiari, Lane Taylor, Corey Linsley, Justin McCray, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy, Lucas Patrick, Cole Madison, Byron Bell [9/24] Bryan Bulaga (PUP)

Packers go a little heavier at OL due to Bulaga injury. They definitely have the talent to warrant keeping 10 OL (Bulage to PUP). Gute stated that Bulaga is part of the present/future team plans and there's no reason not to believe that. Bakhtiari, Taylor, Linsley, and McCray all appear to be roster locks. Patrick remains (IMHO) one of the most underappreciated players on the OL and I believe that his versatility makes him a "near" roster lock. Campen has talked up Spriggs, who looks good at 320. Let's hope the body transformation for JS helps alleviate some of the problems that have marred his first few years in he NFL. Murphy has been practicing at LT, and that might not be enough to make the roster, but I wouldn't bet against him. He seems like a slightly better than 50/50 proposition to make the final 53. Madison was a DP and with our track record developing 4th/5th RD lineman it would be difficult to keep him off the roster. Byron Bell could've just been brought in for competition, but I think the Packers truly value his versatility and ability to play at least 3/5 positions across the line. If Madison isn't ready to play on Sundays, that would improve Bell's roster chances. Pankey deserves recognition and he deserves a spot on a 53 Man Roster somewhere in the NFL. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if he pushes Murphy off the roster as he's more talented than most give him credit for. Finally, I just wanted to say something about Amichia. As much as I liked him in the pre-draft process last year he looked ridiculously out of shape in TC last year. No two ways about it, he was carrying a spare tire to maintain a 300LBs (he didn't look like a natural 300, which isn't dissimilar to Spriggs as a rookie). I only saw him once, but he seems to have transformed his body and looks like he might be able to make some noise. 

DL: Mike Daniels, Muhammad Wilkerson, Kenny Clark, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry [5/29]

Daniels, Wilkerson, Clark, and Adams are all roster locks. Lowry is on a rookie contract and has been relatively useful when provided with opportunities, should be considered a near-lock. Lancaster could force his way onto the roster, but that's about all there is to say about the DL position. 

OLB: Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Vince Biegel, Kyler Fackrell, Reggie Gilbert, Kendall Donnerson [6/35]

Matthews, Perry, and Biegel are locks. Fackrell is a near lock. Some of you might ask why, but he's a former 3rd RD Pick on a rookie contract at a position that lacks depth. More importantly, he played more STs snaps than any player on the roster last season. That shouldn't be overlooked. After the Top 4, Gilbert also appears to be a good bet (75/25), assuming there aren't any last minute veteran additions to the roster. The final spot will come down to Donnerson vs. Odom and I'd bet the Packers would be more willing to bet on the developmental upside and potential STs impact of Donnerson over Odom. 

ILB: Blake Martinez, Jake Ryan, Oren Burks [3/38] 

Martinez, Ryan and Burks are all locks. The question is... will a fourth ILB force their way onto the roster. Greer Martini has been making noise and was recently showered with praise. Ahmad Thomas seems to have a nose for the ball. Both are PS candidates, but either could perform well enough to create a spot for themselves on the 53 man roster. 

CB: Kevin King, Tramon Williams, Jaire Alexander, Josh Jackson, Davon House, Herb Waters, Lenzy Pipkins [7/45}

King, Alexander, Williams, and Jackson are all locks. If Davon House remains health throughout TC he WILL make the roster. A healthy Davon House is an effective press-man CB and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him see the field in dime (or possibly even nickel looks) to start the year, but that all depends on the development of younger players. Davon House is also on a veteran minimum salary benefit contract, which means the cap figure for House in 2018 will be the same as that of a 2nd year player (or less than Goodson's projected cap hit and only slightly more than Hawkins projected cap hit). Beyond those Top 5 you have Waters, Brown, Pipkins, Hawkins and Goodson fighting for the remaining 1-2 roster spots. At the end of March, McCarthy stated that he felt one of the former UDFA CBs on the roster clearly had the potential to be a future starter.

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“Starters?” Packers coach Mike McCarthy said rhetorically before pausing for several seconds this week at the annual league meeting. “One for sure, but it’s what’s in front of them. They have to develop. They all have something that obviously you love about them, it’s just working on the other things and continuing to develop. I think (pass game coordinator) Joe Whitt and you’ve got (secondary coach) Jason Simmons, those guys are as good as there is, so yeah, they’ll definitely have the opportunity.”

Based on earlier comments from Whitt and what I've seen in TC I strongly suspect that player is Herb Waters. The only other possibility is Lenzy Pipkins. IMHO Both have a leg up on the last 1-2 CBs spots over the likes of Goodson, Brown, and Hawkins. Waters has a ridiculously high ceiling along with the body and movement skills that rival "lockdown" CBs across the NFL. Pipkins played well in limited snaps on defense last season and was involved on STs. Goodson would need to play out of his mind to secure a roster spot. He's older that Davon House (already 29), coming off an injury, and has only proven to be valuable on STs thus far. Brown has the most developmental upside of the 3, but is also old (27) for a 2nd year player, ultimately I think he's the player most likely to end up on the PS if both Waters and Pipkins make the final roster as I have projected. Hawkins seemed to sharply regress last season and needs to rebound, but I think the Packers have seen enough to know there isn't much of a future there. Hawkins has been relatively active on STs, but there's little reason to keep him over Pipkins if we're strictly looking at STs value and I feel that Pipkins clearly presents more upside. 

S: Haha Clinton-Dix, Josh Jones, Quinten Rollins, Kentrell Brice, Marwin Evans [5/50]

Clinton-Dix and Jones are both locks. Brice certainly seems like a lock based on the way the coaches talk about him. Rollins is the wildcard here, and I feel (might be in the minority) that he could develop into an impact player at safety. Based on Minicamp, Packers brass has finally elected to try Rollins at safety, which I've always felt was his most natural NFL position. That 40 Time all those years ago truly dampened his prospects at CB in the NFL. It was clear that Rollins benefited (in college) from playing against WRs in the MAC that typically lacked legit NFL speed.  After the Rollins' rookie year, Whitt commented that Rollins needed to "see it" while Randall could "feel it". That's what separated Rollins and Randall in terms of NFL performance at CB, more specifically NFL ball production. I've said it before and I''ll say it once more, at the CB position Rollins needed to have the WR in his hip pocket before he felt comfortable searching for the ball, and that tendency combined with his lack of speed ultimately dampened his chances to be a productive NFL CB. Look at every interception in Rollins NFL career. Outside of the deflection, all the interceptions he made were plays when he was facing the play and could read the QBs eyes. What happened when Rollins had to track WRs down the field? Take a peek at the play he suffered his neck injury. He's too busy playing catch-up to locate the ball. Overall, I think Rollins lack of football experience could benefit him in the transition to safety, and he clearly possesses premium ball skills that he can utilize when he's allowed to see the play develop (and read the eyes of the QB). The biggest remaining question with Rollins is whether he lost too much from the Achilles injury, but IMHO there is clearly a high ceiling for Rollins at the safety position. Evans played the 2nd most ST snaps on the Packers last season and remains an intriguing developmental prospect. He seems highly likely to remain on the 53 man roster assuming the Packers keep 5 and he can fight off Whitehead and Greene for the final spot. Whitehead has been a valuable back-end of the roster type of player that has yo-yoed between the PS and the 53 man roster the last few years. Like Hawkins, I think the Whitehead experiment might be over after the season. I think the Packers know what they have and there isn't much of a ceiling here. Greene could surprise and push for that final safety spot, but he will truly have to earn it because there's a reason Evans has earned a spot on the 53 Man Roster the last two years.

K: Mason Crosby [1/51]

Lock it in. 

P: JK Scott [1/52] 

@NormSizedMidget

LS: Zach Triner [1/53] 

Bradley has been extremely shaky and Zook seems concerned. There might be enough problems that either Triner or someone not currently on the roster ends up as the LS. 

 

PS

1) Tyler Lancaster (DT) 

2) Tim Boyle (QB) 

3) Raven Greene (S) 

4) Adam Pankey (OT/OG)

5) Kofi Amichia (OG/OC)

6) Jake Kumerow (WR) 

7) Robert Tonyan (TE) 

8) Chris Odom (OLB) 

9) Greer Martini (ILB) 

10) Donatello Brown (CB) 

Edited by Cadmus
Changed the title to reflect that I want others to share their projected rosters (not sure that was clear)

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On the money for me. What I expect to see. It is a pretty strong roster where most the battles are for the last couple of depth option positions, like with the OL, CBs, Safeties, OLBs and WRs.

Not that I expect to see it, unless there are injuries but a veteran addition to the WR corp and OLB group would really send this roster over the top.

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@Cadmus, I agree with MOST of this roster.

 

I think between whomever the extra OL is, and Donnerson/Odom they will be safe on the PS.  Kendricks will have to get straight up out played to not make the roster.  Brice and Evans are easily ahead of Rollins (if these were in order), and Rollins is on the bubble.  Hundley bounces back enough to make the roster if he isn't traded.

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Thanks for putting in the effort to create a quality thread. Thorough and no-stone-left-unturned. Love it. I agree with a lot you have to say here as well; especially in regards to how Hundley exits.

Do disagree with a few things here so I'll post my current final 53 and note those differences as they pop up. 

 

QB: Rodgers, Kizer(2) - Hundley gets traded to Seattle for a 6th. 

RB: Williams, Jones, Ripkowski(5)

WR: Adams, Cobb, ESB, Moore, MVS, Allison(11) - I think Clark and Kumerow go to the PS and I can't see us keeping 7 WR's. I think Davis gets traded to the 49ers for a 6th. 

TE: Graham, Lewis, Kendricks(14) - I don't see how Kendricks doesn't make this team. He's cheap and we can let him walk for whichever TE we draft in next year's draft. 

OL: Bakh, Taylor, Linsley, McCray, Murphy, Spriggs, Patrick, Bell, Pankey(23) - I don't think Madison makes the roster right off the bat. He and Amichia go to the PS along with either of the two Centers. IIRC, Dillon Day was more than just a Center so I could see him sneaking onto the final 53 if he can prove to be a valuable swing man inside. Our coaching staff appears to be going for versatile players along the right side of the line as the left side is set for a spell.

ATH: ATH stands for Around The Horn here and that's what Monty will be. He'll probably be officially listed as a RB, but he'll be used all over the place.(24)

 

DL: Daniels, Wilkerson, Clark, Lowry, Adams, Looney(30) - Lancaster and Sheehy find their way to the PS.

OLB: CMIII, Perry, Biegel, Fackrell, Gilbert, Donnerson(36) - Not sure Odom could make it to the PS, but he will need a very strong showing in TC but I think Donnerson outplays him.

ILB: Ryan, Martinez, Burks(39) - This group is set. Might keep one of the others on the PS.

CB: House, King, Williams, Alexander, Jackson, Pipkins(45) - I don't see Waters making this roster and we've seen what we've needed to see from the rest of them. I don't think we carry 7 CB's. 

S: HaHa, Evans, Brice, Jones, Rollins(50) - I too think Rollins makes it as a Safety. He's always been better and more cerebral in zone. I don't see how Whitehead or Greene could make this roster with Rollins playing ST. 

ST: Scott, Crosby, Triner(53)

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On 6/15/2018 at 11:53 AM, Cadmus said:

QB - Aaron Rodgers, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Ty Montgomery, Devante Mayes

WR: Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, Michael Clark, J'mon Moore, EQ St. Brown

TE: Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, Lance Kendricks, Emanual Byrd

OL: Bak, Taylor, Linsley, McCray, Spriggs, Murphy, Patrick, Madison, Bulaga

DL: Daniels, Clark, Wilkerson, Lowry, Adams, Looney

OLB: Perry, Matthews, Gilbert, Biegel, Donnerson, Fackrell

ILB: Martinez, Burks, Ryan

S: Dix, Jones, Brice, Evans

CB: King, Alexander, Jackson, Williams, House, Waters

K: Crosby

P: Scott

LS: Bradley

I have no undrafted free agents so I know this isn't correct. Not sure if Bulaga will be ready but feel he will be. I am not a fan of the fullback and hoping we don't carry one. 

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...but we're an offense who uses the FB, especially on the great Packers sweep. I'm kinda curious to see what Joel Bouagnon can do in camp. He was signed as a FB, but he's been moved to RB. Should be an interesting prospect to watch.

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Joe Whitt talking about CB Herb Waters back in March

"He’s further along at this point than I thought he would be," Whitt said last June, after Waters hurt his shoulder the first time. "I hate that he got hurt; hopefully he’ll be ready for training camp. If he is, he’s going to give (all the other cornerbacks trouble). He has that ability in his body that, don’t be surprised, like I told you in ’09 about Tramon (Williams), I said that Tramon was the best cover guy that we had, I think you thought I was crazy at the time, but at the end of the year and going into ’10, he was. This kid has that type of ability. He does."

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The suggestion of Bulaga to PUP is an interesting one to contemplate...The Packers are pretty thorough in keeping a dossier on all of their players and the recovery times from the various injuries over the years. Unfortunately for Bryan, its a pretty fat folder. But they will have really good intel on how quickly he recovers post-surgery and what it takes for him to be game-ready on a Sunday.

One the one hand, its beneficial to give Bulaga as much time as possible to get ready via the use of PUP. It also gives GB an "extra" roster spot early in the season and that keeps another player off the cut list or PS list where they can be snatched away. With Bulaga coming back after the bye, that leaves him with a 10 game regular season and 3-4 playoff games. That's perfect for his physical prowess. From a strategic point of view, there's a lot to be said for choosing this option, especially with the late season ACL (Nov )

On the other hand - I believe Bulaga is still the best RT on the roster. And as such, there is some risk in going into the season with Spriggs/Murphy/Bell covering that RT spot. IF Bulaga is ready sooner- then maybe the 6 week PUP is a bit longer break than the team would prefer.  I'm not certain, but the PUP rules may prevent him from doing any team work until after game 6, in which case Bulaga might not be up to game speed by the time the Packers travel to LA Rams for game 7 of the regular season.

There is also another component to consider here and that is the new guy at RG. McCray and Bulaga will have very limited time together if they opt for PUP for Bryan and the ability to gel and work together on the OL is often cited as a critical component of their overall success. Do you go with Spriggs for example, and then plan on a mid-season swap ? Or do you ride the current OT and keep Bulaga as a back -up for the remainder of the year ?

Its not an "easy" decision and the Packers have to balance Bulaga's recovery time frame with the younger OT's development, all layered over the top of the various PUP participation rules. Bringing in Byron Bell just helps to hedge those bets and gives GB another option if both the ACL recovery time and the OT development time are longer than hoped for.

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On 6/15/2018 at 9:51 PM, Brit Pack said:

On the money for me. What I expect to see. It is a pretty strong roster where most the battles are for the last couple of depth option positions, like with the OL, CBs, Safeties, OLBs and WRs.

Not that I expect to see it, unless there are injuries but a veteran addition to the WR corp and OLB group would really send this roster over the top.

I'm not sure there's anything left in FA at the WR position, but I wouldn't be opposed to a veteran addition. 

OLB is a different story, and I think most are hoping we make a move there.

I'd rather have Gilbert vs. Donnerson vs. Odom for #6 OLB than having those three players fight for #5 (and possibly the #6 OLB slot). 

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6 minutes ago, Cadmus said:

I'm not sure there's anything left in FA at the WR position, but I wouldn't be opposed to a veteran addition. 

OLB is a different story, and I think most are hoping we make a move there.

I'd rather have Gilbert vs. Donnerson vs. Odom for #6 OLB than having those three players fight for #5 (and possibly the #6 OLB slot). 

Gilbert is going to be the #3 OLB in my opinion and an upgrade over last year's #3 by a stretch. I think Donnerson is going to be the #5 OLB and Fackrell will be #6 and play some at ILB when needed. 

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On 6/16/2018 at 12:20 AM, DavidatMIZZOU said:

@Cadmus, I agree with MOST of this roster.

 

I think between whomever the extra OL is, and Donnerson/Odom they will be safe on the PS.  Kendricks will have to get straight up out played to not make the roster.  Brice and Evans are easily ahead of Rollins (if these were in order), and Rollins is on the bubble.  Hundley bounces back enough to make the roster if he isn't traded.

Kendricks is likely the most controversial exclusion on my final roster. It all comes down to the money, but assuming both Lewis and Graham exit TC healthy... I wouldn't be stunned to see him released during final cuts. 

The placement of Rollins on the final depth chart has more to do with my attempt to highlight the potential impact he could have at safety. It will certainly be an uphill climb to switch positions in the NFL, but (again, I might be in the minority) I think he possesses a wide range of outcomes at the position. Truly feel he has the ability to be an impact player, but he'll likely start the season behind Brice because of the position switch.

 

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2 minutes ago, Golfman said:

Gilbert is going to be the #3 OLB in my opinion and an upgrade over last year's #3 by a stretch. I think Donnerson is going to be the #5 OLB and Fackrell will be #6 and play some at ILB when needed. 

It's early, but I think it's clear the staff views Biegel  as one of the primary backups at the OLB position. 

Then I feel like the next two are probably Fackrell and Gilbert, but Fackrell played more ST snaps than any other Packers player last season. 

That's a big reason it's difficult for me to see Fackrell not make the final roster right now (sans veteran addition at the position). 

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22 hours ago, Joe said:

...but we're an offense who uses the FB, especially on the great Packers sweep. I'm kinda curious to see what Joel Bouagnon can do in camp. He was signed as a FB, but he's been moved to RB. Should be an interesting prospect to watch.

Gute's first official signing as GM. 

However, he was signed as a RB and I believe he was a pre-draft visit last season. 

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/1/10/16876526/packers-sign-running-back-joel-bouagnon-to-futures-contract

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20 hours ago, Shanedorf said:

Joe Whitt talking about CB Herb Waters back in March

"He’s further along at this point than I thought he would be," Whitt said last June, after Waters hurt his shoulder the first time. "I hate that he got hurt; hopefully he’ll be ready for training camp. If he is, he’s going to give (all the other cornerbacks trouble). He has that ability in his body that, don’t be surprised, like I told you in ’09 about Tramon (Williams), I said that Tramon was the best cover guy that we had, I think you thought I was crazy at the time, but at the end of the year and going into ’10, he was. This kid has that type of ability. He does."

Thanks for finding that quote Shane. 

Between the Whitt and McCarthy comments (both from March) it'd be hard to believe they aren't high on Waters. 

He seems like the early favorite for CB6, but I'm sure Pipkins will have something to say about that. 

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3 hours ago, Shanedorf said:

The suggestion of Bulaga to PUP is an interesting one to contemplate...The Packers are pretty thorough in keeping a dossier on all of their players and the recovery times from the various injuries over the years. Unfortunately for Bryan, its a pretty fat folder. But they will have really good intel on how quickly he recovers post-surgery and what it takes for him to be game-ready on a Sunday.

One the one hand, its beneficial to give Bulaga as much time as possible to get ready via the use of PUP. It also gives GB an "extra" roster spot early in the season and that keeps another player off the cut list or PS list where they can be snatched away. With Bulaga coming back after the bye, that leaves him with a 10 game regular season and 3-4 playoff games. That's perfect for his physical prowess. From a strategic point of view, there's a lot to be said for choosing this option, especially with the late season ACL (Nov )

On the other hand - I believe Bulaga is still the best RT on the roster. And as such, there is some risk in going into the season with Spriggs/Murphy/Bell covering that RT spot. IF Bulaga is ready sooner- then maybe the 6 week PUP is a bit longer break than the team would prefer.  I'm not certain, but the PUP rules may prevent him from doing any team work until after game 6, in which case Bulaga might not be up to game speed by the time the Packers travel to LA Rams for game 7 of the regular season.

There is also another component to consider here and that is the new guy at RG. McCray and Bulaga will have very limited time together if they opt for PUP for Bryan and the ability to gel and work together on the OL is often cited as a critical component of their overall success. Do you go with Spriggs for example, and then plan on a mid-season swap ? Or do you ride the current OT and keep Bulaga as a back -up for the remainder of the year ?

Its not an "easy" decision and the Packers have to balance Bulaga's recovery time frame with the younger OT's development, all layered over the top of the various PUP participation rules. Bringing in Byron Bell just helps to hedge those bets and gives GB another option if both the ACL recovery time and the OT development time are longer than hoped for.

Great paragraph Shane, thanks for sharing your perspective. 

Bulaga was the only player McCarthy didn't seem optimistic about with regard to a recovery timetable, and that's why I projected my roster that way. 

Personally, I'm excited to see how Spriggs and Murphy perform in TC. It's Year 3 in the NFL for both and that's a big year for most OL (although, we've been spoiled in the past with earlier contributions from mid-round DPs). 

 

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