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The (Potential) 2020 Draft RB Class


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42 minutes ago, Counselor said:

Where in SoCal?

For dimes? Santa Monica, San Diego, Anything that ends in Beach, Orange County, Pasadena, downtown LA (especially near the FIDM campus), towns near USC and UCLA, The Valley (Which is the porn star capitol of the world) ,Ventura County/Malibu, Hollywood, freaking everywhere.

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1 minute ago, Jeezla said:

For dimes? Santa Monica, San Diego, Anything that ends in Beach, Orange County, Pasadena, downtown LA (especially near the FIDM campus), towns near USC and UCLA, The Valley (Which is the porn star capitol of the world) ,Ventura County/Malibu, Hollywood, freaking everywhere.

I’m saying where y’all live. 

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9 minutes ago, Counselor said:

I’m saying where y’all live. 

Thousand Oaks, about 10 minutes from where the Cowboys practice in the offseason
You probably recognize the name for more tragic reasons, unfortunately. 

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4 hours ago, Ozzy said:

What was unnecessary, drafting Michel?  Maybe Damien Harris but over time I think he will be fine, and Michel lead them to a Super Bowl, or at least was a gigantic part of them winning a Super Bowl last year.  If he was not on the roster last year, they do not win the Super Bowl.  

 

 

7 of the top 9 rushing teams in the NFL made the playoffs this year.  Yeah running the ball is kind of a big deal considering the defensive skill set currently around the NFL.  

 

No, both of those moves were unnecessary. Michel doesn't have the skillset of a 1st round pick and barely exploited the holes opened up for him. Plus he offers nothing in the passing game, he was complete misevaluation. Harris was a wasted 3rd round selection who was outplayed by a cheap FA this year. You could find both of those skillets anywhere. 

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6 hours ago, goldfishwars said:

No, both of those moves were unnecessary. Michel doesn't have the skillset of a 1st round pick and barely exploited the holes opened up for him. Plus he offers nothing in the passing game, he was complete misevaluation. Harris was a wasted 3rd round selection who was outplayed by a cheap FA this year. You could find both of those skillets anywhere. 

You really think they would have won the Super Bowl without Sony Michel?  He was their leading rusher by far, did it help he had Gronk and Brown blocking for him, sure but kid was key to that title run and without him they would have lost along the way I feel.  

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1 hour ago, Ozzy said:

You really think they would have won the Super Bowl without Sony Michel?  He was their leading rusher by far, did it help he had Gronk and Brown blocking for him, sure but kid was key to that title run and without him they would have lost along the way I feel.  

I'm a Patriots fan and have watched every single snap of his career. Michel is an average runner, does not make space for himself, rarely makes tacklers miss and doesn't offer anything in the passing game. We had pro bowl caliber players from left tackle to right guard last season, plus a great full back and Gronk on the edge. Yes I think we win the Super Bowl without spending a 1st round pick on an extremely average running back. 

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Just now, goldfishwars said:

I'm a Patriots fan and have watched every single snap of his career. Michel is an average runner, does not make space for himself, rarely makes tacklers miss and doesn't offer anything in the passing game. We had pro bowl caliber players from left tackle to right guard last season, plus a great full back and Gronk on the edge. Yes I think we win the Super Bowl without spending a 1st round pick on an extremely average running back. 

I am fully aware of who was blocking for him, fact is you think you win the Super Bowl as a run dominant team with James White and Rex Burkhead rushing the football only?  No freaking way.  I was surprised Sony was a 1st round pick when it happened yes, a little over drafted, but regardless they did win a Super Bowl and he was a huge part of that title run.  Cannot just assume those other guys on the roster would have done the same exact thing he did.  Could easily say they lose to the Chargers without Michel along with the other playoff games, sure the rest of the playoff games Burkhead did ok but again I doubt he would have done that as the full time starter all season long, he was a backup and is a backup.  Burkhead has less rushing yards in his entire 7 year career than Michel has had in two seasons.

 

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18 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

I am fully aware of who was blocking for him, fact is you think you win the Super Bowl as a run dominant team with James White and Rex Burkhead rushing the football only?  No freaking way.  I was surprised Sony was a 1st round pick when it happened yes, a little over drafted, but regardless they did win a Super Bowl and he was a huge part of that title run.  Cannot just assume those other guys on the roster would have done the same exact thing he did.  Could easily say they lose to the Chargers without Michel along with the other playoff games, sure the rest of the playoff games Burkhead did ok but again I doubt he would have done that as the full time starter all season long, he was a backup and is a backup.  Burkhead has less rushing yards in his entire 7 year career than Michel has had in two seasons.

 

What are you talking about? We would have had someone else running the ball, a lower pick or a cheap FA. 

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34 minutes ago, goldfishwars said:

What are you talking about? We would have had someone else running the ball, a lower pick or a cheap FA. 

And win a Super Bowl with them, some lower drafted RB or cheap FA RB?  That is just pretending now and making stuff up.  Sure you could get a Terrell Davis type in the later rounds, could also get another Tom Brady in the 6th round but look and see how many teams have actually done that one.  But no one says wait till the later rounds to draft a QB.  Draft philosophy is one thing, winning a Super Bowl is another and to me it is just pretending to think Sony Michel had little or nothing to do with that title run last year.  

 

How about you take the opinion of your head coach who said this before the playoffs even began last year.  

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"Yeah, well, I mean, he’s a good back," Belichick began. "He’s a good player, runs well, takes care of the ball, he’s tough, he’s got good playing strength, runs through some arm tackles. He’s still got a lot to learn, still a lot of things that he can work on, but he’s a tough kid, he’s smart, he works hard, he’s out there every day, so he keeps getting better. That’s a good thing."

 

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47 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

And win a Super Bowl with them, some lower drafted RB or cheap FA RB?  That is just pretending now and making stuff up.  Sure you could get a Terrell Davis type in the later rounds, could also get another Tom Brady in the 6th round but look and see how many teams have actually done that one.  But no one says wait till the later rounds to draft a QB.  Draft philosophy is one thing, winning a Super Bowl is another and to me it is just pretending to think Sony Michel had little or nothing to do with that title run last year.  

 

How about you take the opinion of your head coach who said this before the playoffs even began last year.  

 

Lol - what are you expecting Belichick to say about a player he personally drafted last year? We've generally been extremely poor at drafting skills player since I can remember. Michel was fine in a role that asked him to do very little, running between the tackles behind a dominant line, an excellent full back and future HOF tight end. Many backs would have put up significantly better numbers than he did. Many lower picks or FA would have put up exactly what he did. That is emphatically not what you should be spending 1st round picks on.

You can argue that stocking up on running backs in the early rounds is a sound strategy, but you need better examples than a player who lacks long speed, vision, averages 3.5 yards per carry without that dominant line and caught only 12 passes this year, and 3rd round pick who couldn't even get on the field. 

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17 minutes ago, goldfishwars said:

Lol - what are you expecting Belichick to say about a player he personally drafted last year? We've generally been extremely poor at drafting skills player since I can remember. Michel was fine in a role that asked him to do very little, running between the tackles behind a dominant line, an excellent full back and future HOF tight end. Many backs would have put up significantly better numbers than he did. Many lower picks or FA would have put up exactly what he did. That is emphatically not what you should be spending 1st round picks on.

You can argue that stocking up on running backs in the early rounds is a sound strategy, but you need better examples than a player who lacks long speed, vision, averages 3.5 yards per carry without that dominant line and caught only 12 passes this year, and 3rd round pick who couldn't even get on the field. 

Sounds like a spoiled team fan that takes Super Bowl victories as common place occurrences.  ;o)

 

 

Oh and all these backs are are crap too based on what, a low yard per carry average?  

Todd Gurley  3.8
Melvin Gordon 3.8
Frank Gore 3.6
LeVeon Bell 3.2
Devonta Freeman 3.6
David Montgomery 3.7
Tevin Coleman 4.0

 

You undervalue running backs as much as you under value Super Bowl victories apparently.  And to call Damien Harris done for after never even getting a chance is pretty early to call as well.  I am sure based on your draft logic even Saquon Barkley was a wasted pick based on how high they selected him.  Similar logic to Kiper of course, but there comes out point where that is a bunch of BS and the failure/success rate of RBs highly drafted or low drafted is probably pretty similar to any other position.  

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56 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

Sounds like a spoiled team fan that takes Super Bowl victories as common place occurrences.  ;o)

 

 

Oh and all these backs are are crap too based on what, a low yard per carry average?  

Todd Gurley  3.8
Melvin Gordon 3.8
Frank Gore 3.6
LeVeon Bell 3.2
Devonta Freeman 3.6
David Montgomery 3.7
Tevin Coleman 4.0

 

You undervalue running backs as much as you under value Super Bowl victories apparently.  And to call Damien Harris done for after never even getting a chance is pretty early to call as well.  I am sure based on your draft logic even Saquon Barkley was a wasted pick based on how high they selected him.  Similar logic to Kiper of course, but there comes out point where that is a bunch of BS and the failure/success rate of RBs highly drafted or low drafted is probably pretty similar to any other position.  

Dude, seriously just stop. You're not even arguing against the points I'm making specifically about Sony Michel. Why don't you tell me specifically why he was a great pick where he was taken. 

Nobody is writing off Damian Williams, he's just a weird example to bring up seeing as he has barely seen the field. 

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On 1/18/2020 at 4:20 AM, Jeezla said:

Maybe he just really likes banging clemson chicks. I'm happy Etienne won't be going to KC. Mahoney + Etienne + Hill + Kelce would be rude.

As a KC fan this makes me very sad, I had him as a lock with our first round pick.  No way Reid would have passed on adding such a talented speed back.  At least now I hope we go else where with our first and pick up a RB with our second round pick. 

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