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Is it selfish for colleges not to teach pro style?

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I understand that coaches and the athletic administration are paid to bring notoriety their school but to me this seems extremely selfish 

To most cfb players this is their future and are banking on this. It'd be like if business majors didn't actually teach students how to operate a business. Let's be real college athletics may as well be a major in itself and most student athletes (especially at higher schools) and they are doing them a major disservice by not getting their STUDENT athletes nfl ready

If schools are willing to spend as much on sports and football as they do for education they should treat it as such

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Meh.

 

If the players know beforehand, that’s on them. It’s like going to ITT Tech vs. a regular university. You spend months touring and meeting with these coaches. It’s on you.

 

Now if a coach just gets up and leaves, that’s a crappy situation.

Edited by candyman93

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1 hour ago, candyman93 said:

Meh.

 

If the players know beforehand, that’s on them. It’s like going to ITT Tech vs. a regular university. You spend months touring and meeting with these coaches. It’s on you.

 

Now if a coach just gets up and leaves, that’s a crappy situation.

but there are other factors when deciding on a college for athletics like the facilities and media coverage not to mention academics and campuses or even which school has better talent around you

Vanderbilt may run a pro style offense but nearly everything else is trumped miserably by Alabama

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Wait... What?

They're goal is to win games. That's it. All else is secondary.

And Pro-Style is a mismonger at this point. A decade ago they were saying how the spread would never work in the NFL. Now most teams incorporate some of it in to their offense.

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I think if you are talented over all it'll show. Size, strength, skill, speed will all shine through. Now if a GM wants to pick a player that is a product of a system then that is on them. 

That is all

Mastercheddaar

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Is it cheap/scumm the NFL to label college as their farm system?

college coaches should do nothing appease the NFL. Only things college coaches need to do, is do what it takes to get the best players and win. They don’t owe the NFL anything 

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13 hours ago, Mastercheddaar said:

I think if you are talented over all it'll show. Size, strength, skill, speed will all shine through. Now if a GM wants to pick a player that is a product of a system then that is on them. 

That is all

Mastercheddaar

and sometimes talent just isn't enough. In fact the nfl is far more technical than anything else and having raw talent isn't enough. Most teams hope they can add the technical side to the raw talent but it is still selfish of colleges not to best prepare student athletes for their careers. After all isn't that what college is suppose to do? Best prepare you for your desired profession? 

and don't use the not everyone on college rosters wants to go pro because the players that are on the field are basically always planning on going pro. Name me on college star who quit football after college in favor of another profession sparing injuries

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On 7/10/2018 at 3:57 AM, Supersuavesky said:

They're goal is to win games. That's it. All else is secondary.

This is it for me.

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10 hours ago, Dboi2001 said:

and sometimes talent just isn't enough. In fact the nfl is far more technical than anything else and having raw talent isn't enough. Most teams hope they can add the technical side to the raw talent but it is still selfish of colleges not to best prepare student athletes for their careers. After all isn't that what college is suppose to do? Best prepare you for your desired profession? 

and don't use the not everyone on college rosters wants to go pro because the players that are on the field are basically always planning on going pro. Name me on college star who quit football after college in favor of another profession sparing injuries

If I was a GM, I'd look at the pedigree of the players and positions coming out of the college. EG Wis and O-line. Some colleges do not care about their kids after they get drafted. This is true. Also some kids are just too strong and big for the other college players and fizzle out in the pros when the raw talent they possess in equally matched. 

Also there have been players who gave up football. I've seen 100's. There are only 32 pro teams vs 100's of college teams. Not everyone plays NCAAF with hopes of going pro. A free education can be a huge factor for a mediocre player. 

That is all

Mastercheddaar 

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They don't pay players. They push players into worthless classes that don't prepare them for any other career. They leave schools at overwhelmingly high rate after manipulating players to think they are their friend during the recruiting process. They don't give them a dime of medical care after they leave. They don't give them a dime for their jersey sales. They don't give them a dime for any advertising the players do or their image rights.

And it's the fact that they're running the goddamn spread that's the selfish act we need to be concerned with?

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It kind of sucks, but if you're a program that has a ton of athletes and you want to win, you are going to run a spread.

 

If I were a middling or bad program, I'd run a pro style scheme and sell that to the recruits. But these big name schools don't have to do that.

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8 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

They don't pay players. They push players into worthless classes that don't prepare them for any other career. They leave schools at overwhelmingly high rate after manipulating players to think they are their friend during the recruiting process. They don't give them a dime of medical care after they leave. They don't give them a dime for their jersey sales. They don't give them a dime for any advertising the players do or their image rights.

And it's the fact that they're running the goddamn spread that's the selfish act we need to be concerned with?

college players don't deserve payment. They simply aren't good enough. Only 1 percent of them will make it big in the nfl, even star athletes. You think this deserves payment?

Plus they are already paying them with free education and housing. I do agree colleges should discourage taking easy classes. If colleges were to pay players they wouldn't have a football team any more OR they'd eliminate scholarships all together. Even then what about other athletic programs like golfing, tennis, track and field, swim team and whatever other sports there are? Hell most of those sports I mentioned the players need to pay for their own equipment

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11 hours ago, Mastercheddaar said:

If I was a GM, I'd look at the pedigree of the players and positions coming out of the college. EG Wis and O-line. Some colleges do not care about their kids after they get drafted. This is true. Also some kids are just too strong and big for the other college players and fizzle out in the pros when the raw talent they possess in equally matched. 

Also there have been players who gave up football. I've seen 100's. There are only 32 pro teams vs 100's of college teams. Not everyone plays NCAAF with hopes of going pro. A free education can be a huge factor for a mediocre player. 

That is all

Mastercheddaar 

I mean a star player for a big school. Name me one player from a big school that end up never even declaring for the draft. Not some no name 4th string QB from Rensselaer or Rice. Pretty much everyone who plays college football and got there from a scholarship has plans for the nfl

I found this list and most of them are simply that they washed out of the nfl, had other aspirations or had medical issues and were from 30 years ago 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000360987/article/10-college-football-legends-who-never-played-a-down-in-nfl

Name me one star player from a big school who never joined the nfl draft and choose a normal life. Even mediocre college players at least give it a shot. Name me one college player who didn't even come to the draft

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They get a free education, housing, and food worth tens of thousands of dollars. What they do with it is up to them.

To answer the original question, the coaches would be doing a disservice to everyone else associated with the program and university if they didn't play in such a way that affords them the best chance to win.

Edited by freak_of_nature

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No, if you want to play in a pro-style offense, go to a school that uses such a scheme.

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