deltarich87 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I broke out in a cold sweat and had flashbacks when the Bucs made that pick. Reminded me of Mike Sherman trading up in RD3 to draft a punter(who also sucked). At least the Bucs admitted their mistake rather than hang on due to the price/investment they made in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw4bucs Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Laughs for a second oh wait we drafted a punter in the 3rd round Weeps heavily Thanks for anger btw, hes great. Aguayo was the worst kicker we have ever had and he was taken in the 2nd round, just a failure of a pick, glad he is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 How did he go from a great college kicker to the worst in the NFL? Mentally weak? Is kicking at all different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Bucs legit threw away a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rd pick with this move. Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Mentally weak? Is kicking at all different? The theory I heard was that the Bucs (as is human nature) were excited to show off their shiny new toy, particularly in light of the criticism they faced for the pick, so started him off with hard kicks in minicamp in front of the media. Just like golf, kicking is extremely mental and confidence is key, so when you start a guy off with iffy kicks in practice and he misses a few that starts to eat away at you, particularly when you're already under a lot of scrutiny. Then things just snowballed from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crickett Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I wish I could say this is a surprise, but it's not. Nick Folk was not someone you bring in for "competition". He's someone you bring in to be your kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Whoops.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimuraGod Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 41 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Laughs for a second oh wait we drafted a punter in the 3rd round Weeps heavily Laughs for a second... Remembers I'm a Jets Fan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 If you draft a kicker in the second round, you expect him to be on the team for 20 years like a Sebastian Janikowski. He'll still catch on somewhere if he regains his confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I wish he would have done better. It would have compelled more teams to try to take a kicker higher. Wouldn't be surprised to see him have a good career still. Maybe even a great one. 71% really isn't horrible for a rookie kicker. Gostkowski had 77% his rookie year. So did Vinatieri. Vinatieri had a year where he had 73.5% made and 97% on extra points when extra points were a chip shot. Mason Crosby had a year where he was 63% on field goals. Sebastian Janikowski was picked in the first round, 17th overall, and he was 68% on field goals his rookie year. I think it was a really stupid mistake for the Buccaneers to waive Aguayo. What was an even bigger mistake was constantly saying that there was an open competition for the kicking position. There really isn't much physical disparity between most NFL kickers. It's mostly mental. There's enough pressure with being a second round pick, just as there was pressure for Janikowski to be a 17th overall pick. The Buccaneers compounded that pressure by constantly saying there was an open competition instead of putting the requisite faith in Aguayo and letting him overcome his own mental hurdles. They spent a second round pick on him, so they must have been confident in his ability, and yet they weren't confident enough to put all their faith in him and let him get over his bad year. As I've already shown, his rookie year wasn't even a historically awful year when compared to some of the very very best in the league and their rookie years. Just to put a final stamp on my argument, Good Kicker careers with bad/worse starts: Graham - 75% first year, 72% second year Bryant - 81, 78, 75% first three years Gould - 77% first year Gostkowski - 77% first year Hauschka - 50%, 69% first two years Dawson - 66% first year, 96% EP with chip shots Vinatieri - 77% first year, 93% chip shot EP Suisham - 75% first year Barth 74% second year Josh Brown - 73% first year Matt Stover -73, 72, 73% first three years Matt Prater - 25%, 25%, 74% first three years John Carney - 40% first year John Kasay - 63% second year Janikowski - 68% first year Morten Anderson - 40, 75, 74% first three years The Buccaneers made a bad choice taking a kicker in the second year. They made a worse choice applying extra pressure on Aguayo to start off well. They made their worst mistake when they gave up on him too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Daily reminder that you should never draft a Kicker before the 5th round at the earliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Jaguarfan said: maybe FSU fans here in Tally will stop acting like he's still god's gift to kicking. no? welp I don't know why they ever thought anything of him. He got worse every year in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankWilliams Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 So he looked awful his rookie season, thats for sure. That being said, I'd be interested in the Bears bringing him in to see if he can compete with Connor Barth, who is also pretty damn average himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 lol I praised the pick and thought they'd have a stud kicker for the next 20 years. Glad I accidentally jinxed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Given he had 480K guaranteed, strong move by Tampa to just move on. They're good enough to actually contend, they can't have a liability at K derail their hopes. If nothing else, it will make for a great Hard Knocks ep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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