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3 hours ago, buno67 said:

We also can’t expect a complete rebuild and turn around in a single off season.  Let’s take a step back and breathe first. 

If this was year 2-3 with Dorsey, I would be getting upset. 

This is year 3 of the rebuild.

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35 minutes ago, bruceb said:

This is year 3 of the rebuild.

This is year one. Those were the teardowns. They acquired the assets and now we've spent them. Youngsters need time to develop. Guys like tyrod and Jarvis are meant to help move that process along.

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2 minutes ago, nugpimpen said:

This is year one. Those were the teardowns. They acquired the assets and now we've spent them. Youngsters need time to develop. Guys like tyrod and Jarvis are meant to help move that process along.

Sashi's was a 5-year plan.

Tear-down was an essential part of the plan.

This is year 3.

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18 hours ago, bruceb said:

This is year 3 of the rebuild.

Going off of what you were saying. This is year 3 in transforming the Browns. Browns spent two years tearing down and now this is year one of actually rebuilding the team. 

 

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17 minutes ago, buno67 said:

Going off of what you were saying. This is year 3 in transforming the Browns. Browns spent two years tearing down and now this is year one of actually rebuilding the team. 

 

I have a hard time saying that years 1 and 2 are a complete tear down.

Yes we did get rid of bad contracts, and we opened up a ton of salary cap.

That being said no one is complaining about having Ogbah, Schobert, Kindred, DeValve, Drango, Higgins, Garrett, Peppers, Njoku, Ogunjobi, Brantley, or Gonzalez on the team.  That's possibly 9 starting caliber players in 2 years.  Most teams would dream of that kind of output.

Also I don't hear many complaints about locking up Kirksey and Bitonio, about trading for Jamie Collins and extending him.  About signing Kevin Zeitler or JC Tretter instead of Cam Erving.

Our roster was a mess, we weren't going to be competing long term with Tremon Williams, Donte Whitner, Carlos Dansby, Randy Starks, Desmond Bryant, Paul Kruger all starting on Defense.

On offense we had Johnny Manziel, Brian Hartline? often injured Jordan Cameron, Cam Erving.

We had years of bad decision making and constant turnover.  We needed to get rid of the spare parts (which we virtually did in one year), the problem for fans was Sashi wasn't willing to bring in random people to compete here and take time and learning experience away from the young guys he wanted to build the team around.  But its not like we weren't trying to bring in guys, if you remember we offered Tony Jefferson more than Baltimore did, he just didn't want to come to this organization.  But just because he wasn't willing to bring a ton of guys in to bad contracts just to try and gain more wins right away didn't mean that we weren't building this team.

But make no mistake about it, we have been building since the day Sashi took over.  Now we are just throwing everything we can at trying to win some now because fans and more importantly ownership is getting restless.  EJ Gaines, Michael Kendricks, Tyrod Taylor, Carlos Hyde, How many of these guys are going to be here next year?  I give Dorsey a LOT of credit, he has done a great job seemingly making Cleveland look like a better destination, and signing guys to team friendly contracts so if we decide we don't have a need for Chris Hubbard, Chris Smith, Terrence Mitchell, TJ Carrie, etc, we can cut and run from them and look to build elsewhere.

It was always going to take a long time to go from a dysfunctional franchise with what was one of the worst drafting GM's in our recent history (Farmer), that doesn't mean we started recovering just this year though...

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