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Browns trade WR Corey Coleman to the Bills


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1 hour ago, Yin-Yang said:

Question for you (that I’ll open with a statement): Obviously the Bills didn’t know how the draft and FA market would go when it was decided that Taylor wouldn’t be returning. And you can definitely say with relative certainty that the decision was made before the season even ended that he wasn’t going to be the team’s QB in 2018. But the Bills ended up being in position to draft Josh Allen (and Josh Rosen FWIW) who they likely believe to be the franchise QB of the future. 

So with all of that on the table, why not retain the QB that helped you to your playoff berth and then draft Josh Allen anyway? Most believe Taylor to be better than McCarron. Would he be a mentor in Buffalo? Not sure, I don’t know how/if he’s helping Baker out too much. But the team would largely be returning (sans Brown, Glenn, Matthews, and Gaines) so you could conceivably remain at least competitive while grooming Allen anyway. Not that another playoff berth is expected per se, but he’d give a better chance than McCarron IMO. 

I realize I’m using hindsight because they didn’t know they’d get Josh Allen. But the Bills had the ammunition to get higher in the draft for a guy if they needed to, and it’s a reasonable opinion IYAM that they would have if they thought they weren’t getting one of the top 4 QBs.

TLDR; They could’ve had Taylor and Allen. Instead they have McCarron and Allen. Why not prefer keeping the playoff guy instead of downgrading, if that had little bearing on whether or not you ended up with Josh Allen?

We got the first pick of the 3rd round for someone that was only going to be here for a year lol. What do you mean why did Buffalo get rid of him?

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1 hour ago, bigbadbuff23835 said:

We got the first pick of the 3rd round for someone that was only going to be here for a year lol. What do you mean why did Buffalo get rid of him?

 

1 hour ago, BigMountainGoat said:

Because we got an excellent trade price. Ultimately using it to trade for Edmunds.

Doesn’t really address the point. 

@BigMountainGoat, you said that you’d rather fail trying to be better than sit and mediocrity, which is fair. But you could’ve sat on the quarterback that you got to the playoffs with and still had your potential QBOTF. Instead you’re likely starting a so-so backup quarterback with 3 career starts to his name. If Tyrod were on the team, you’d at least be looking at a similar squad to last year’s playoff bunch, but now you’re looking at a team that’s likely going to have a top 12 pick.

If your answer is that you’d rather have that third round pick instead of a competitive season, I guess there lies the disconnect. 

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2 hours ago, bigbadbuff23835 said:

We got the first pick of the 3rd round for someone that was only going to be here for a year lol. What do you mean why did Buffalo get rid of him?

Getting a 3rd was a big win for buffalo. The Bills are rebuilding. If you can get a 3rd for a QB that doesn’t factor into your future, you take it. Those just good enough QBs are dangerous. With them, you won’t be able to make a deep playoff push and you also won’t be in position to draft a QBOTF.

With that said, the trade also made sense for the Browns. They had the first and fourth pick. Essentially assuring themselves of a QBOTF.

Everyone should be happy. Case closed.

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2 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

 

Doesn’t really address the point. 

@BigMountainGoat, you said that you’d rather fail trying to be better than sit and mediocrity, which is fair. But you could’ve sat on the quarterback that you got to the playoffs with and still had your potential QBOTF. Instead you’re likely starting a so-so backup quarterback with 3 career starts to his name. If Tyrod were on the team, you’d at least be looking at a similar squad to last year’s playoff bunch, but now you’re looking at a team that’s likely going to have a top 12 pick.

If your answer is that you’d rather have that third round pick instead of a competitive season, I guess there lies the disconnect. 

Tyrod was getting 17 million if he stuck around in buffalo that is 17 million the bills didnt have to waste on a mediocre qb when they needed to fill other needs on the team. Tyrod isn't a game changer and isnt worth the 17 million the bills would have to give him to stay. Honestly Aj McCarron who has a better arm but lacks the mobility that tyrod has is equivalent. People can say tyrod got them to the playoffs but bills fans and brass know that wasn't the case. Plus he wasnt part of McDermott or Beanes players. Yes he played for them last year but that was because of the limited amount of time to figure out who can be replaced. Now they had a year to watch him realize he isnt for them and need to move on. Bills got lucky with some plays that helped the bills make the playoffs including the Bengals ravens game plus it was a weak conference last year. Tyrod reached his ceiling and it is not worth keeping around even if they stuck it out to draft Allen. Do not be surprised to got 2-4 to start the season and Baker come in. Tyrod counted alot on the run game and the defense. Bills DBs saved his butt on several occasions where they were winning by 4 with the ball in hand and then tyrod goes 3 and out having to punt and count on the defense to shut a possible come back down. The games where they got destroyed tyrod had less than 100 yards passing. How is 100 yards passing an acceptable amount of yards at the pro level?

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On 8/6/2018 at 9:27 AM, DreamKid said:

Looks like the Browns are taking some concrete steps to clean up that locker room. 

You gotta respect an organization willing to take a stand. Essentially tossing a problem player away, despite their talent, in order to really drive a standard home. Establishing and nurturing a culture of responsibility and accountability to the team, organization, fan base, and the player's themselves. Boy these aren't the same old Browns, they are in a post Corey Coleman world baby!

Besides they can just replace Corey's production with Antonio Callaway. That kid can play. The combo of him and Josh Gordon will be all kinds of crazy.  

 

 

Still think that this organization is taking at stand after Callaway got popped for Weed? Solid culture they are building, better pay Dez money cause Gordon isnt in camp and calloway is now facing 4 game suspension.

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1 hour ago, soflbillsfan said:

Tyrod was getting 17 million if he stuck around in buffalo that is 17 million the bills didnt have to waste on a mediocre qb when they needed to fill other needs on the team. Tyrod isn't a game changer and isnt worth the 17 million the bills would have to give him to stay. 

Alright, so salary cap. I know the Bills aren’t swimming in cap dollars (although they have some overpaid players), so I can buy that explanation. 

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13 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

Alright, so salary cap. I know the Bills aren’t swimming in cap dollars (although they have some overpaid players), so I can buy that explanation. 

3 years ago Bills brought Tyrod in to compete not thinking he would actually come close as you will see his contract back then wasn't all that good but he wanted a chance to compete and get a starting job rather then sit behind Joe Flacco with the ravens. He didnt look great in camp but come preseason he started to show flashes to Rex Ryan and thats what won them over. They still had Ej Manuel that was on the team at the time thinking he would win out at some point but it never happened. Fast forward to when Tyrod got an extension he still showed some potential but was consistent with his issues, not seeing open wr, running with the ball rather then pushing to throw it, automatic check downs and holding the ball to long. If your going to pay a qb starting money you expect him to throw the ball more then count on running as thats what the position is for and unfortunately Tyrod wasnt doing that. You were able to move on by trading him for the 1st pick in the 3rd round which is great value for the bills as they didnt see him as a long term answer and Mcdermott/beane didnt have any ties to Tyrod as that was an old regimes guy. McCarron is another 5th round back up QB from the Afc North that is looking to get out of the shadows of the starting qb. Bills were able to crack a cheap deal to get him and bring him in to do what tyrod was doing which was being a bridge qb that will give Josh Allen competition. Since browns had the funds to pay tyrod it made sense for them to be willing to pay his contract but he is still not the answer the browns are looking for even paying him the money and giving away the top pick in the 3rd round for him. They still spent the 1st overall pick on Baker so their confidence in Tyrod long term isnt there either they just want a bridge where they do not have to do what they did to Kizer by throwing him out there as soon as possible. 

 

Also not sure how this thread went from discussing the trade of Coleman to Tyrod so much. Back to that thread Im sure dorsey isnt to happy moving on from him with Calloway having issues with weed. With his past they should have never been so willing to move coleman until calloway proved them wrong. His past history at UF then failed drug test at the combine and now this, this cant be good and he may get 4 games even if it is his 1st attempt simply because of his past issues. Unless he grows up in the next month or 2 the browns are going to have another big headache on their hands and may be willing to cut him sooner rather then later.  

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On 8/6/2018 at 2:06 PM, tyler735 said:

Worst case scenario if they can't trade him is they simply have more depth at WR. I'm highly skeptical of their move given the off field history's of Gordon/Callaway and them still being on the roster. Just doesn't make sense to me given the investment they had in Coleman as a recent 1st round pick that has shown flashes the past 2 years. 

Well this post from earlier in the week aged perfectly. *Pats self on back*

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38 minutes ago, tyler735 said:

Well this post from earlier in the week aged perfectly. *Pats self on back*

the last good flash i can remember coleman flashing was against the ravens in week 2 of 2016.  he hasnt become any more consistent in 2 years.  he doesnt know how to play the position, just uses his athleticism and has bad workethic/doesnt fight for stuff on the field.  unless he learns how to play the game of football and has a major attitude change, he's gonna be out of football in 2 years.

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