pwny Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-jets-jaguars-20180821-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I’ll take their 3rd in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 These people saying we should trade a solid rotational DE with upside for a backup QB... ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, .Buzz said: These people saying we should trade a solid rotational DE with upside for a backup QB... ?? A backup QB we could have signed a couple of months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 If we won't keep him trading him might not be so bad but if we got a 3rd/4th round comp pick, there is no reason to trade him for that or less when he can still help us win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Other than Teddy who is pretty mediocre and honestly probably wouldn't start, what do they even have to offer? Their roster is such donkey balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: but if we got a 3rd/4th round comp pick With our Free Agents scheduled to be: Donte Moncrief WR 26 JAC TBD $9,600,000 UFA - Dante Fowler Jr. DE 25 JAC TBD $5,872,563 UFA - Corey Grant RB 27 JAC TBD $2,914,000 UFA - T.J. Yeldon RB 25 JAC TBD $1,478,444 UFA - Tyler Shatley G 28 JAC TBD $1,027,500 UFA - A.J. Cann G 27 JAC TBD $843,149 UFA - Do you really see us not being active enough Free Agency to actually allow a comp pick of some value to come our way? I expect we'd spend enough on smaller names to lock ourselves out of the chance to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, pwny said: With our Free Agents scheduled to be: Donte Moncrief WR 26 JAC TBD $9,600,000 UFA - Dante Fowler Jr. DE 25 JAC TBD $5,872,563 UFA - Corey Grant RB 27 JAC TBD $2,914,000 UFA - T.J. Yeldon RB 25 JAC TBD $1,478,444 UFA - Tyler Shatley G 28 JAC TBD $1,027,500 UFA - A.J. Cann G 27 JAC TBD $843,149 UFA - Do you really see us not being active enough Free Agency to actually allow a comp pick of some value to come our way? I expect we'd spend enough on smaller names to lock ourselves out of the chance to get it. I'd expect we retain some but odds are Fowler signs an uber deal somewhere. Cant imagine we'd need to fill Moncrief's shoes. Either way, would he really fetch us much with a contract still to come? Feel like he can help us now moreso than a mid round pick in 2019 will for a few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 honestly it depends on what the offer is. hes still clearly immature and isnt a natural hand in the dirt guy. hes developed some but honestly i dont like his abilities as a true edge rusher. i would consider something like Antonio Garcia/David Bass(he should be a good rotational Pass rusher) and like a 4th for him. Garcia is real intriguing to me as a potential starting tackle(competion wont hurt us to replace Parnell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2018/8/21/17765760/the-stunted-growth-of-dawuane-smoot-leaves-the-jaguars-in-a-bind Quote In a vacuum, moving Fowler for fair value would make sense at this point in time. Fowler is entering his final year with the team and is not a likely candidate for re-signing due to an already steep financial investment in the defensive line. As a result, the opportunity to recoup some capital would be good business for the Jaguars if it weren’t for the fact that it would leave the team bereft of an auxiliary edge rusher during a Super Bowl push. The real culprit for why this isn’t a no brainer is not Fowler. It’s not Dave Caldwell. And it’s not Tom Coughlin. It’s Dawuane Smoot. When the Jaguars selected Smoot in the third round of last year’s draft, they did so with the blueprint of a potential succession plan in a post-Dante era. Based on Smoot’s performance in 2017 and his lack of availability so far this offseason due to injury, it is difficult to envision him as a viable long-term pass rushing replacement for Fowler. Some on the team beat have even gone so far as to suggest that his spot on the final roster isn’t safe. While I’m not entirely sure that’s going to happen, it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Despite producing 15.5 sacks and over 136 tackles in his four-year career at Illinois, Smoot failed to register a single sack last season, totaling only 20 total tackles in 16 games. For the Pro Football Focus crowd, Smoot earned a paltry 50.5 pass rush grade on 288 total snaps in 2017. When you see the list of pass rushers who were selected after Smoot in the 2017 draft (Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, Tim Williams), it adds more insult to injury. Lawson and Willis combined for 9.5 sacks last season in spell duty for Carlos Dunlap and Michael Johnson, while Tim Williams has been a problem for offensive linemen in three preseason games so far for the Ravens. At this point in time, if you swapped Smoot for any of these three pass rushers, the decision to move Fowler to a motivated buyer like the Jets for, say, a third round draft pick would be a simple one. However, Smoot’s lack of production and recent unavailability makes Fowler really indispensable for 2018 and puts the team brass in a bind. I went back and reviewed three games last season which Smoot had the most snaps — Week 3 against the Baltimore Ravens, Week 14 against the Seattle Seahawks, and Week 15 against the Houston Texans — to see if I could pull some positive things to project promising development from Smoot as pass rusher. The results, however, were discouraging: Out of 76 total snaps, Smoot did little to nothing to affect the passer and disrupt rushing lanes with pressures or hurry the quarterback off the spot. The only notable tape came from collapsing a run play, hustling downfield on a screen, and chasing down a runner in which he may or may not have lost contain in the first place. Smoot’s best plays did demonstrate tremendous effort and motor, but effort will only get you so far in the NFL. Quite frankly, the major takeaway for me was that Smoot will be nothing more than a solid run defender in the NFL. In comparison to Fowler and Ngakoue, Smoot showed little explosiveness off the snap, demonstrated average athleticism and flexibility, and was unimaginative with his hand usage to shed blocks. Pass rushers in particular usually take longer to develop, which is why I wouldn’t hit the eject button on Smoot quite yet, but he has to get healthy quick and make up for lost time this offseason. If the Jaguars do end up holding on to Fowler for this season, it will be an inadvertent statement on how they feel about Smoot. A few years ago when the roster was in full re-build mode with the likes of Ace Sanders and Denard Robinson, this team could afford to be patient with long-term projects. Entering a year where it’s championship or bust, this regime may not be so tolerant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 i wonder if we could do something say either campbell or Jackson + fowler for say Leo Williams and perhaps Teddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 lol why would you want to trade a top 5 player on our team a week before the season started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VLoo Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, LinderFournette said: i wonder if we could do something say either campbell or Jackson + fowler for say Leo Williams and perhaps Teddy I'm sure we could. Why on Earth would we do something so stupid though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 19 minutes ago, VLoo said: I'm sure we could. Why on Earth would we do something so stupid though? We wouldn't. Campbell may be older but we're trying to win now. He's an elite guy who was in the DPOY discussion last year. Players like that don't get traded in a move for something like he brought up. Not to mention losing Fowler on top of that continues to hurt our DL production/depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 Let's trade two players who combined for 24.5 sacks last year for a backup QB and a guy who had two sacks last season. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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