Jets reached out to Jaguars about Dante Fowler

[pwny]

Trading for Teddy makes exactly zero sense. You can think Teddy is better all you want, and you might even be right, but it makes no sense.

Following the season, the Jaguars had no backup QB. They also had the ability to pull out of Blake's 5th year option and allow him to be a Free Agent.

Instead, this is what happened:

February 24, 2018 -  they re-signed Blake.

March 14, 2018 - Free Agency opens - the Jaguars do not contact any of the Free Agent QBs on the market.

March 18th, 2018 - Teddy Bridgewater signs a one year deal with the Jets. No offer was ever made by the Jaguars.

March 28, 2018 - Jaguars trade for Cody Kessler in an attempt to secure a low cost backup.

 

What has changed since these events to suddenly make the Jaguars interested in trading assets in order to secure Bridgewater? All reports were that Blake has taken complete control of this team and that Kessler looks to be a competent backup. Why would they suddenly break away from their plan when nothing negative has happened to justify the change?

[JiffyJag]

1 hour ago, pwny said:

Trading for Teddy makes exactly zero sense. You can think Teddy is better all you want, and you might even be right, but it makes no sense.

Following the season, the Jaguars had no backup QB. They also had the ability to pull out of Blake's 5th year option and allow him to be a Free Agent.

Instead, this is what happened:

February 24, 2018 -  they re-signed Blake.

March 14, 2018 - Free Agency opens - the Jaguars do not contact any of the Free Agent QBs on the market.

March 18th, 2018 - Teddy Bridgewater signs a one year deal with the Jets. No offer was ever made by the Jaguars.

March 28, 2018 - Jaguars trade for Cody Kessler in an attempt to secure a low cost backup.

 

What has changed since these events to suddenly make the Jaguars interested in trading assets in order to secure Bridgewater? All reports were that Blake has taken complete control of this team and that Kessler looks to be a competent backup. Why would they suddenly break away from their plan when nothing negative has happened to justify the change?

~20 preseason passes

[VLoo]

19 hours ago, pwny said:

Trading for Teddy makes exactly zero sense. You can think Teddy is better all you want, and you might even be right, but it makes no sense.

Following the season, the Jaguars had no backup QB. They also had the ability to pull out of Blake's 5th year option and allow him to be a Free Agent.

Instead, this is what happened:

February 24, 2018 -  they re-signed Blake.

March 14, 2018 - Free Agency opens - the Jaguars do not contact any of the Free Agent QBs on the market.

March 18th, 2018 - Teddy Bridgewater signs a one year deal with the Jets. No offer was ever made by the Jaguars.

March 28, 2018 - Jaguars trade for Cody Kessler in an attempt to secure a low cost backup.

 

What has changed since these events to suddenly make the Jaguars interested in trading assets in order to secure Bridgewater? All reports were that Blake has taken complete control of this team and that Kessler looks to be a competent backup. Why would they suddenly break away from their plan when nothing negative has happened to justify the change?

Get out of here with your facts and reason

[Tugboat]

On 22/08/2018 at 9:59 PM, pwny said:

Trading for Teddy makes exactly zero sense. You can think Teddy is better all you want, and you might even be right, but it makes no sense.

Following the season, the Jaguars had no backup QB. They also had the ability to pull out of Blake's 5th year option and allow him to be a Free Agent.

Instead, this is what happened:

February 24, 2018 -  they re-signed Blake.

March 14, 2018 - Free Agency opens - the Jaguars do not contact any of the Free Agent QBs on the market.

March 18th, 2018 - Teddy Bridgewater signs a one year deal with the Jets. No offer was ever made by the Jaguars.

March 28, 2018 - Jaguars trade for Cody Kessler in an attempt to secure a low cost backup.

 

What has changed since these events to suddenly make the Jaguars interested in trading assets in order to secure Bridgewater? All reports were that Blake has taken complete control of this team and that Kessler looks to be a competent backup. Why would they suddenly break away from their plan when nothing negative has happened to justify the change?

Exactly.

Teddy definitely >>> Kessler.  If he can stay healthy, he might even be better than Bortles on the whole (less ups, but also less downs).  But there's absolutely nothing that this regime have shown to indicate they have any desire to move away from Bortles+Kessler as their quarterbacking plan for 2018, and very probably beyond.  It's not happening.  If it were going to happen, it would've happened a while ago.

[Tugboat]

On 21/08/2018 at 2:30 PM, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

I'd expect we retain some but odds are Fowler signs an uber deal somewhere. Cant imagine we'd need to fill Moncrief's shoes. 

Either way, would he really fetch us much with a contract still to come? Feel like he can help us now moreso than a mid round pick in 2019 will for a few years

Agreed on all of this really.

With the situation here and opportunity for Fowler to put together another year of "easy sacks" alongside the rest of our DLine, combined with his draft pedigree "name value" and how much a lot of other teams reportedly liked him at the draft...There's a serious chance that Fowler signs a stupid megadeal somewhere for next season.  Teams go bonkers for sack numbers.  Like...beyond the sort of thing i'd expect us to be spending on FAs in a year where we're probably going to be transitioning to some younger+cheaper in house replacement plans to make the cap all fit together.

And in the meantime...like that article @pwny posted, we kinda need Fowler to maintain an important strength of our team.  He's still "limited" as a player and apparently kind of an idiot...but he's still a much bigger contributor than anyone else we'd have in that particular role behind him right now.  This team needs to be all in on winning while they can still afford to have luxury pieces like that.  Not shuffling off contributing pieces for mediocre futures or spare parts.

[LinderFournette]

On 8/22/2018 at 9:55 PM, VLoo said:

I'm sure we could. Why on Earth would we do something so stupid though?

is it stupid to go from a guy whos likely on the decline(campbell) to a guy on the rise(williams)? williams would be a great fit next to bryan and Ngakoue.  keep williams at around campbells salary. 

[JaguarCrazy2832]

I’d be all for getting Leonard Williams but would the Jets really want to part with him?

[pwny]

3 hours ago, LinderFournette said:

is it stupid to go from a guy whos likely on the decline(campbell) to a guy on the rise(williams)? williams would be a great fit next to bryan and Ngakoue.  keep williams at around campbells salary. 

Yes, it would be stupid to trade a guy who had 14 sacks last season for a guy who had two last year. 

[Speedyg]

Is it too late to talk about Teddy?

lol

[LinderFournette]

On 8/24/2018 at 11:51 PM, pwny said:

Yes, it would be stupid to trade a guy who had 14 sacks last season for a guy who had two last year. 

call it what u want but i call last year an OUTLIER for campbell.  dudes been in the league for a long time and never had 10 sacks in a season till this past year.   its kinda like a lorenzo alexander going from a STer to a 10 sack guy. obviously its not as big of a jump from a Probowler to star but i do feel like last years production definitely seems like an outlier seeing his previous high was 9. 

if u want to further break it down he had 6 sacks vs Houston, 3 sacks vs indy, .5 vs baltimore, 1 vs the NYJ, 2 vs LAR, 1 vs Cinci, .5 vs Cleveland.

Houston, Indy and the bengals all have TURD Lines and that counts for 10 sacks right there. 

[Speedyg]

Forget the sacks, which were great. Calais was downright disruptive in just about every single game we played.

[pwny]

3 hours ago, LinderFournette said:

call it what u want but i call last year an OUTLIER for campbell.  dudes been in the league for a long time and never had 10 sacks in a season till this past year.   its kinda like a lorenzo alexander going from a STer to a 10 sack guy. obviously its not as big of a jump from a Probowler to star but i do feel like last years production definitely seems like an outlier seeing his previous high was 9. 

if u want to further break it down he had 6 sacks vs Houston, 3 sacks vs indy, .5 vs baltimore, 1 vs the NYJ, 2 vs LAR, 1 vs Cinci, .5 vs Cleveland.

Houston, Indy and the bengals all have TURD Lines and that counts for 10 sacks right there. 

Fine. Take out last year completely. Pretend it never happened. Calais is still one of the most disruptive players in the NFL, and averages over 7 sacks per year. You want to trade that for a guy who had TWO last year. And want to make this trade less than 2 weeks before the season starts. Brilliant.

[JaguarCrazy2832]

2 hours ago, pwny said:

Fine. Take out last year completely. Pretend it never happened. Calais is still one of the most disruptive players in the NFL, and averages over 7 sacks per year. You want to trade that for a guy who had TWO last year. And want to make this trade less than 2 weeks before the season starts. Brilliant.

Agreed. He flat out makes everyone better and if he doesn't get those sacks I trust Yannick and Malik to get there

[Tugboat]

On 24/08/2018 at 6:41 PM, LinderFournette said:

is it stupid to go from a guy whos likely on the decline(campbell) to a guy on the rise(williams)? williams would be a great fit next to bryan and Ngakoue.  keep williams at around campbells salary. 

 

12 hours ago, LinderFournette said:

call it what u want but i call last year an OUTLIER for campbell.  dudes been in the league for a long time and never had 10 sacks in a season till this past year.   its kinda like a lorenzo alexander going from a STer to a 10 sack guy. obviously its not as big of a jump from a Probowler to star but i do feel like last years production definitely seems like an outlier seeing his previous high was 9. 

if u want to further break it down he had 6 sacks vs Houston, 3 sacks vs indy, .5 vs baltimore, 1 vs the NYJ, 2 vs LAR, 1 vs Cinci, .5 vs Cleveland.

Houston, Indy and the bengals all have TURD Lines and that counts for 10 sacks right there. 

I mean...is the guy in decline?  Or did he just have the best season of his career?  Even if that is the likely "high point" of Calais' career statistically...you've got an awfully high data point to start a decline from.  And he hasn't actually started to show any significant "decline" in his play as of yet, coming off a year that may have been his best.

[pwny]

Calais is also a guy who has a game built around skills that take longer to depreciate than other players. He doesn’t need quick twitch or relentless speed or absurd strength to win. He wins with technique and bend. He’s one of the few you can see continuing to be positively impactful into his 35th or later seasons.