SteelKing728 Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 Just now, SemperFeist said: GTFOH. Jackson couldn’t make Baltimore a legit threat to make the Super Bowl. Neither did Stafford in Detroit, or Brees in SD, or Steve Young in TB. Nobody believes it until it happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 12 hours ago, SemperFeist said: He’s been a regressing player, both in terms of production and durability. To put it in perspective Daniel Jones was more productive this past season than Jackson, and the Giants have largely been panned for signing him. Jackson hasn’t come close to replicating anything close to his MVP season four years ago, despite the Ravens investing in more and more support pieces around him. Jackson can be an exciting player to watch but he’s not reliable. And there’s really no reason to believe that it’s going to get better given his playing style. And then there’s the Ravens, and how they are approaching this situation. The Ravens have been arguably the best run organization in the NFL for the past decade plus. Their hesitation to committing to Jackson should be a bat signal for the rest of the league to be weary. I disagree with this on just about every level. Daniel Jones had a career year with 15 TD passes after being average to bad in his first 3 years. Lamar Jackson threw 17 TD passes despite playing only 12 games last season. Jackson also rushed for more yards than Jones in fewer games. What is the measuring stick for production? The "investing in more and more support pieces" is only kind of true. They've tried to add pieces, but not good ones. Then they trade the pieces like Hollywood Brown. Baltimore is near the bottom of the league in terms of skill position players, despite having a cost controlled QB. Having the 4th or 5th best TE in the league as the number one option for multiple seasons is not a commitment to improving the offense. Not reliable - what does that mean? Jackson is the offense in Baltimore, and they've got a 45-16 record when he starts games. The Ravens have finished 1st, 3rd, and 2nd in rushing over the past 3 seasons based mostly on Jackson's legs. Fairly reliable, IMO. Prior to his injury last year, the Ravens offense overall was top 5 in efficiency (EPA/play). While the media has fawned over the Ravens FO and how they run the team, I'm putting some stock in Baltimore's own players calling out the GM, and the recent poor marks that they received from the NFLPA survey - ranking in the bottom 1/3 for everything outside of travel and locker room. My speculation is that the Ravens are not wanting to commit to a fully guaranteed contract, and not anything about him as a player. Watson's deal is problematic for a lot of QBs. Jackson is definitely doing himself a disservice by not having an agent. Lamar Jackson is 26 years old, has won an MVP and dragged the Ravens offense to winning seasons in one of the more difficult divisions in football. Any suggestion that his best football is behind him is simply a guess and not based on what's actually happened on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I don't necessarily believe Lamar is regressing, but I've never liked his style of play. I think his skillset requires too much change to how an offensive scheme is run to play to his strengths. There's nothing wrong with that, but even Baltimore had to completely change their scheme and get rid of a lot of good players to bring in other types of players that suited him better. I think what Detroit is doing now is fine...bringing in Lamar wouldn't make that situation better...it certainly would stunt Jameson Williams' growth to have a guy like Lamar throwing him the ball instead of Goff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 minute ago, swede700 said: There's nothing wrong with that, but even Baltimore had to completely change their scheme and get rid of a lot of good players to bring in other types of players that suited him better. And then those players don't want to play in that type of offense, further exacerbating the problem (see: Hollywood Brown). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 8 minutes ago, wcblack34 said: And then those players don't want to play in that type of offense, further exacerbating the problem (see: Hollywood Brown). Hollywood Brown was his own problem. Go look at how many passes he dropped. 146 targets, 91 catches and over 1000 yards in his last year in Baltimore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 14 minutes ago, swede700 said: I think what Detroit is doing now is fine...bringing in Lamar wouldn't make that situation better...it certainly would stunt Jameson Williams' growth to have a guy like Lamar throwing him the ball instead of Goff. Jameson Williams had 1 catch in 6 games... How can you possibly know this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 23 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Jameson Williams had 1 catch in 6 games... How can you possibly know this? Because Detroit currently has a designed pass-first offense. You add in Lamar, then it's not. It's not that hard to predict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Passer rating isn’t everything, but his efficiency numbers and his play back this up. The “Lamar Jackson is a bad passer” narrative can go away. He would make the Lions clear contenders in a weak NFC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 12 hours ago, JDBrocks said: Passer rating isn’t everything, but his efficiency numbers and his play back this up. The “Lamar Jackson is a bad passer” narrative can go away. He would make the Lions clear contenders in a weak NFC. He's not a bad passer, he just doesn't do it often enough. Geno Smith and Jacoby Brissett have almost as many pass attempts in their careers as he does. I just believe the Lions, as currently constructed, are a better team with Goff than they would be with Lamar. And changing the offense to suit Lamar would certainly put a dent in Jameson Williams' growth potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, swede700 said: He's not a bad passer, he just doesn't do it often enough. Geno Smith and Jacoby Brissett have almost as many pass attempts in their careers as he does. I just believe the Lions, as currently constructed, are a better team with Goff than they would be with Lamar. And changing the offense to suit Lamar would certainly put a dent in Jameson Williams' growth potential. So he's a good passer with a better arm than Goff, but couldn't adapt to a pass first offense? No blame for the Ravens' offense heavily leaning on Lamar Jackson's legs instead of adapting a passing offense that he can execute in? No chance that Lamar Jackson, if given the opportunity, could run the Lions offense as it currently exists? Just a silly argument to say that a better player on all levels would hurt a team. Jameson Williams' growth potential would not be hurt by having a better QB. Jameson Williams is reportedly doing that just fine on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter Former Eagles’ safety Chauncey Gardner-Johnson reached agreement tonight with the Detroit Lions, per source. The top remaining defensive free agent is off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) With all the moves the Lions made in the secondary in free agency, this comes as zero surprise. But, either way to get only a 5th for a guy you drafted at #3 overall just 3 yrs ago, that's a massive disappointment. Edited April 11 by swede700 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Another 1st round bust gets traded for peanuts. That’s why i am ok with taking a shot at QB in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: Another 1st round bust gets traded for peanuts. That’s why i am ok with taking a shot at QB in the first. His injuries is what has cost him. In 3 yrs, he's had a hamstring injury, shoulder injury, groin injury, ruptured Achilles and concussion. It's been brutal for him. If he can manage to stay healthy for once in Atlanta, maybe he'll have a chance still...because for all that he's still only 24...still younger than Hendon Hooker. 😂 Edited April 11 by swede700 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticNorseman Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 With Okudah being moved, it makes me feel somewhat better about the Vikes missing on Hughes and Gladney. I just hope we don't keep beating our heads on the wall over 1st Rd CBs. Goes to show no position group is immune to disappointment and even more importantly, it shows that agents coach these kids to get through the mind games of the draft . . . But, when the pads come on, play don't lie . . . Tiger stripes don't change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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