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23 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

Those were a product of terrible evaluations, it was proven that not a single one of those guys (except Peppers) could play the game at a high level in this league with other teams, the idea that somehow the colors Brown and Orange have something to do with their own faults as a player is utter ridiculous. Either you can or you cant, fairly simple

Are you implying that players play at the levels they do regardless of coaching or environment?

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6 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

Are you implying that players play at the levels they do regardless of coaching or environment?

Tons of players would support that thought. Randy Moss comes to mind.....

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11 hours ago, BleedTheClock said:

Yeah kind of like how Josh Gordon and Joe Thomas were doomed by this same horrific fate.

 

Sometimes guys just suck nuts. 

I mean to be fair Josh Gordon has literally been in purgatory for half of his career so eh, agreed on them sucking but if he went to a team where the team wasn't upheaved every 2-3 years he might've had a shot with a decent coaching staff.

People really don't get how often bad situations contribute to NFL players success, plus injuries didn't help. 

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I think it's a cop out to blame the environment as a major reason for players that wash out of the NFL. I would say that the main reason the Browns have not been able to retain their first round talent is due bad scouting (Gilbert) and management decision (Manziel). There are a lot of successful athletes and people who were able to thrive in not ideal environments; it was their drive and focus on their goals that got them to where they are.

Environment definitely plays a part, but the ones that fail to overcome it, are simply the ones that fail and/or remain content not going any further with their lives. Just look at the corporate world; there are those that do nothing but complain and accomplish the bare minimum while wondering why they aren't moving up. These are the same people that tell themselves and their friends excuses as to why others were able to move passed them. Coleman expected to be treated like a starter, even though he was not playing like one and it hurt his ego. We only saw glimpses of it on hard knocks, but it seemed like he was arguing with the coaches while not performing (had a hard time dealing with the 2's defense).

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So do people believe that guys like JJ Watt, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and a slew of others would be wash-outs if the Browns drafted them?

The Browns are not good, but it has everything to do with the players being terrible, not the organization itself. It's like most of you guys haven't actually watched these guys play. Cameron Erving literally looked like a 5th grader trying to block guys when he was out there. That's somehow going to change somewhere else? Justin Gilbert was the laziest and softest player in the universe. He went to a hardened organization in the Pittsburgh Steelers and the same problems followed him. Manziel was a coke head that sucks in the CFL. Corey Coleman couldn't catch a cold and had attitude problems. Richardson was running in cement and had the vision of Stevie Wonder. Brandon Weeden did some of the dumbest things ever seen with a football in his hands. Spray and pray QB that threw into double, triple, and quadruple coverage regularly. But blame the Browns being the Browns for that. I'm sure we forgot to tell him not to throw it into quadruple coverage.

 

Meanwhile, there were several players on the roster playing very well while these turds were on the roster.

 

Environment is helpful, but it is never the difference between "bust" and "good".

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I think that if Coleman was drafted by the right organization from his rookie year to now, he'd probably be a pretty decent #3-#4 WR who would thrive on deep balls/bubble type routes if he had a good QB and capable outside threats. Best case scenario, he's Devin Hester as a WR or Ted Ginn Jr. People who make it seem like we're talking about a guy who was the next Steve Smith that then flamed out because he was drafted by the Browns are laughable.

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On 9/4/2018 at 9:33 AM, tom cody said:

That was quick, will be interesting to see if he ends up anywhere else. He's not a Pro Bowler but still a good 3-4 WR IMO. 

no hes not

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11 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

*Sigh*

Of course he did. If anyone can reinvent themselves, it's there. That said, he'd better hold off on his attitude/antics or they won't even let him off the plane.

If any WR can reinvent/develop themselves, New England is not the place to go. Not expecting anything  here.  

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On 9/1/2018 at 7:25 AM, Dome said:

Also, did they just hand him to the Patriots? Or does he go on waivers?

Lol doubt he does anything, but pats snagging him was smart 

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1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Not even the Patriots felt comfortable with Philip Dorsett having over 100+ receiving yards it looks like.

Uh, somehow I don't think that was the thought process here.

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Really he would just be an injury backup right? Once Edleman get back they already have a top 3 at WR it seems like.

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On 9/5/2018 at 11:35 AM, BleedTheClock said:

So do people believe that guys like JJ Watt, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and a slew of others would be wash-outs if the Browns drafted them?

Those guys are the best players in the league, all with crazy work ethics.

Look at Jared Goff with Fisher vs with McVay. Look at Moss in Oakland vs Moss in NE. Look at Arthur Jones in Baltimore vs Arthur Jones in Indy. Casey Hayward in GB vs in SD/LA. Patrick Chung in Philly with Chip Kelly vs in NE take II. Jamie Collins in NE vs Jamie Collins in Cleveland.

Yeah, there are dozens of players that are good and would be good in plenty of different places with plenty of different coaches. But environment - whether it be coaching, surrounding talent, or culture - is a major, major factor in plenty of player’s careers. Especially younger ones. 

(This has nothing to do with Coleman to NE, I doubt he even lasts all year).

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