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5 hours ago, Lazy10 said:

Calm down, you're crazy if you want The Browns to trade up for non QB. Ed Oliver is going to top 3 and I expect Browns to draft between 10-14. It's going to take two 1st rounders to get into top 3. No way I'm doing that deal, dline class is stacked so need to trade up for Oliver and just settle and take the best remaining defensive player available in draft. Best decesion possible

There are some nice DT's in this class. But Oliver is far beyond "nice." He's as elite as you can get in a DT prospect. He'd be worth trading up for IMO.

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2 hours ago, BleedTheClock said:

There are some nice DT's in this class. But Oliver is far beyond "nice." He's as elite as you can get in a DT prospect. He'd be worth trading up for IMO.

Agreed and not just Oliver either. The D-Line has like 4 or 5 DT's and DE's in 2019 that would be worth trading up for imo. 2019 is the year of the D-Linemen for sure. 

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19 hours ago, BleedTheClock said:

There are some nice DT's in this class. But Oliver is far beyond "nice." He's as elite as you can get in a DT prospect. He'd be worth trading up for IMO.

Nope, you should only trade for QBs or if you have few years remaining with franchise QB then you can trade up for non QB like the Saints.

I think Ed Oliver is great but he isn't in Ndamukong Suh or Warren Sapp class as a prospect atm, that could change after the college football season but ATM he's a tier below.

I really like Jeffery Simmons from Miss St, gonna be great pass rusher as DT.

 

Also like Derrick Brown as well

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I still want another top-flight, pass-rushing DE to go with Garrett. Who's the Hateful Eight in that category that I need to study film on? Really want one in the 1st or 2nd Round next year.

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12 minutes ago, Lazy10 said:

Nope, you should only trade for QBs or if you have few years remaining with franchise QB then you can trade up for non QB like the Saints.

I don't think we have that many pressing needs right now, especially if we ended up guessing right with Baker (I think he's gonna be great). In theory, we don't have a bunch of holes to fill, even looking ahead to our pending free agents.

12 minutes ago, Lazy10 said:

I think Ed Oliver is great but he isn't in Ndamukong Suh or Warren Sapp class as a prospect atm, that could change after the college football season but ATM he's a tier below.

Why don't you think Oliver is on their level as prospects? He's a better athlete than both by a significant amount AND he plays with equal pop and power. He's a nightmare that no interior OL has been able to mirror. Imagining him running stunts and games on pass rush downs would terrify me if I were an OC. He's as disruptive of a player as I've ever seen and unlike so many other big interior DL, he can finish plays. That's an underrated trait to have for a big man. He sheds and penetrates so quickly that he makes the tackle instead of simply disrupting the play or forcing the QB off the spot. He's a flawless 3-Tech prospect IMO. Not sure what else you want to see out of him before putting him in that category. He was the #1 player coming out of HS and has been as good as advertised, if not better.

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6 minutes ago, Bernie's Curls said:

I still want another top-flight, pass-rushing DE to go with Garrett. Who's the Hateful Eight in that category that I need to study film on? Really want one in the 1st or 2nd Round next year.

Joe Jackson from Miami (i know) is the guy I think ends up being the steal DE from the class. Right now he's not even getting top 10 buzz and I think he's going to be every bit as good as Nick Bosa will be. Jackson is big, athletic, and has produced ever since his freshman season. He's a little underdeveloped physically and isn't great against the run, but he's better than any DE from last year's DE class IMO.

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23 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

Joe Jackson from Miami (i know) is the guy I think ends up being the steal DE from the class. Right now he's not even getting top 10 buzz and I think he's going to be every bit as good as Nick Bosa will be. Jackson is big, athletic, and has produced ever since his freshman season. He's a little underdeveloped physically and isn't great against the run, but he's better than any DE from last year's DE class IMO.

I'll check him out. The main thing I want the 2019 Off-season to establish is a stable of pass-rushing options to rotate as needed, or fill-in due to injury dings. It'd be great if we can get an all-around stud DE opposite Garrett, but even if they go 3rd down pass-rushing specialists, I just want to be able to keep guys fresh and bring heat.

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Is it safe to assume Oliver is the closes thing to a surefire HOF'er as it gets? In my eye's he's as certain of a slam-dunk lineman as Joe Thomas was. Like, there's no doubt he's going to be an absolute FORCE in the league. I'm all in on Oliver.

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1 hour ago, MistaBohmbastic said:

Is it safe to assume Oliver is the closes thing to a surefire HOF'er as it gets? In my eye's he's as certain of a slam-dunk lineman as Joe Thomas was. Like, there's no doubt he's going to be an absolute FORCE in the league. I'm all in on Oliver.

I mean, it depends on this next year, but he sure seems to be.

Like, if he doesn't get better AT ALL next year, he is probably still a top 3-5 pick. If he improves the way his off-season work makes it clear that he wants to, he could definitely be what you're describing.

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13 hours ago, MistaBohmbastic said:

Is it safe to assume Oliver is the closes thing to a surefire HOF'er as it gets? In my eye's he's as certain of a slam-dunk lineman as Joe Thomas was. Like, there's no doubt he's going to be an absolute FORCE in the league. I'm all in on Oliver.

A lot of people forget the year after Joe Thomas was selected there was another LT that came out that was supposed to be better then Joe. His name was Jake Long and while he was serviceable, he was not the All-Pro that the "draft experts" were talking him up to be. My point being, No player is a slam dunk imo. 

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Just now, buckeyesNut0623 said:

A lot of people forget the year after Joe Thomas was selected there was another LT that came out that was supposed to be better then Joe. His name was Jake Long and while he was serviceable, he was not the All-Pro that the "draft experts" were talking him up to be. My point being, No player is a slam dunk imo. 

I never felt that way about Long, nor do I remember hearing that he was supposed to be better than Joe. 

I will go on the record as saying that Oliver is as likely to succeed in the league as LeBron James was likely to thrive in the NBA. I'm not saying Oliver is the GOAT, but he is pretty much a no doubter in terms of being a success.

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2 hours ago, MistaBohmbastic said:

I never felt that way about Long, nor do I remember hearing that he was supposed to be better than Joe. 

I will go on the record as saying that Oliver is as likely to succeed in the league as LeBron James was likely to thrive in the NBA. I'm not saying Oliver is the GOAT, but he is pretty much a no doubter in terms of being a success.

They might not have said he was gonna be better exactly but I do remember the experts saying he had longer arms and was more a prototypical LT so I stand corrected. My point being that you never know what's gonna happen between the NCAA and the NFL, For every Joe Thomas there is a Jake Long. 

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5 minutes ago, buckeyesNut0623 said:

They might not have said he was gonna be better exactly but I do remember the experts saying he had longer arms and was more a prototypical LT so I stand corrected. My point being that you never know what's gonna happen between the NCAA and the NFL, For every Joe Thomas there is a Jake Long. 

Ed Oliver is not a defensive Jake Long. Just watch some of his games dude. He jumps off the tape like no D-lineman I've ever watched, and he does it so consistently it's absurd. Like, he's an athletic freak with elite football IQ and technique. It literally does not get more promising that his skillset.

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21 hours ago, BleedTheClock said:

I don't think we have that many pressing needs right now, especially if we ended up guessing right with Baker (I think he's gonna be great). In theory, we don't have a bunch of holes to fill, even looking ahead to our pending free agents.

Why don't you think Oliver is on their level as prospects? He's a better athlete than both by a significant amount AND he plays with equal pop and power. He's a nightmare that no interior OL has been able to mirror. Imagining him running stunts and games on pass rush downs would terrify me if I were an OC. He's as disruptive of a player as I've ever seen and unlike so many other big interior DL, he can finish plays. That's an underrated trait to have for a big man. He sheds and penetrates so quickly that he makes the tackle instead of simply disrupting the play or forcing the QB off the spot. He's a flawless 3-Tech prospect IMO. Not sure what else you want to see out of him before putting him in that category. He was the #1 player coming out of HS and has been as good as advertised, if not better.

Just need one more season from him to confirm the goods. Also think Jeffery Simmons can produce similar results without trading extra draft pick

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21 hours ago, BleedTheClock said:

I don't think we have that many pressing needs right now, especially if we ended up guessing right with Baker (I think he's gonna be great). In theory, we don't have a bunch of holes to fill, even looking ahead to our pending free agents.

 

Still might need LT or RT if Coleman or Hubbard don't perform. Also need SS if Peppers bust which I don't expect him to. More willing to make trade if Browns play up to expectations and Oliver continues to dominate

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