Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: If the Carlson situation taught the organization anything, it should be that patience with young kickers is key. Zimmer is about as patient as a hungry newborn crying for a 3am boob with his kickers. Ideally, Vedvik can at least do something well during this last game and we keep him at minimum as a punter and he can get NFL experience and maybe become a better kicker But if he continues to miss and not punt better than Wile.....:SIGH: Edited August 28, 2019 by Vikes_Bolts1228 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) And if Zimmer doesn’t show patience with the team’s new, young kicker, all it will show is that Zimmer has not learned from his mistakes. Zimmer has created a toxic environment for his specialists, and he is the only one who can fix it. Edited August 28, 2019 by SemperFeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: And if Zimmer doesn’t show patience with the team’s new, young kicker, all it will show is that Zimmer as not learned from his mistakes. Zimmer has created a toxic environment for his specialists, and he is the only one who can fix it. I agree with you 100% but on the other side.... What if Vedvik misses a kick or two the next game or hangs another punt too high when you have Bailey & Wile performing well in camp? Do you keep all 3? Do you give Vedvik a spot over Wile or Bailey just because he's young and you hope he figures it out? I mean you don't start a lineman who can't block....why trot out a kicker who can't hit a FG or out punts his coverage? Carlson at least had a decent enough pre-season. Vedvik isn't looking good at either spot in low-pressure, meaningless games. I thought this new special teams coach and Kaeding was supposed to keep Zimmer from dinking around with the kickers? Yet, here we are..... Edited August 28, 2019 by Vikes_Bolts1228 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: And if Zimmer doesn’t show patience with the team’s new, young kicker, all it will show is that Zimmer as not learned from his mistakes. Zimmer has created a toxic environment for his specialists, and he is the only one who can fix it. Oh and BTW....check our dynasty league. I've had a trade offer for you sitting there for over a month now lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klomp Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Vikes_Bolts1228 said: Who cares if he made it out of camp. That's what? Two weeks longer than Vedvik would be cut after the last game? Does it matter that much? Does that someone justify the 5th rounder on a kicker that he made it two weeks and cost the team a game that very well kept the team out of the playoffs? Will you be fine if he makes it to week 2 and then the Vikings cut him? And it'll make Spielman look even more incompetent if they keep him on the roster just because he cost a 5th rounder and he proceeds to cost the team a game if he misses a field goal or he leaves too much air under a punt and the Falcons' returner brings it back 65 for 6 because our nearest gunner was 15 yards away when he caught the punt. It's a 5th rounder. Not too big of a deal. Spielman can get that back in his first trade of the 2020 draft. He took a gamble and it's looking like a "L" right now. Maybe he'll correct his stride for the week 4 game and will go 3/3 on FGs and get some good punts. You're over-thinking this too much. If he can't beat out Wile & Bailey, he shouldn't get a roster spot. If he can, he should. Plain & simple. I just can't understand the logic of keeping an inferior player on a roster just because he cost a draft pick. This isn't JV football. Carlson was here from April 28-September 17. That's almost five months. Vedvik has been here 16 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Klomp said: Carlson was here from April 28-September 17. That's almost five months. Vedvik has been here 16 days. Who cares? He made it two regular season games. The only part of the season that counts. I guess congrats that he made it through OTA's & camp? Hell, UDFA's achieve that feat..... Edited August 28, 2019 by Vikes_Bolts1228 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) At the start of training camp, saying that Dan Bailey was struggling would have been an understatement. But there was more to it than him simply missing kicks. The rotation of McDermott and Cutting, plus the constant switching at holder was causing a lot of timing issues. Which led to a lot of missed kicks. It’s not a coincidence that once the team made their decision on Cutting, and stopped trotting out 15 different players to hold, that Bailey settled down and started making the majority of his kicks. Vedvick is no different. You need to let him settle into his role. Vedvick is not only getting use to a new long snapper and holder trying to get his timing down, he’s also getting used to a new team, new locker room, new coaches, new city, etc. The guy was crushing it for Baltimore. He didn’t forget how to kick in 2 weeks. The team needs to trust their scouting, and let Vedick settle into his role. Edited August 28, 2019 by SemperFeist 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Vikes_Bolts1228 said: Not sure how you can trust a guy who came up short on a 54 yarder to be your long FG specialist. I don't see a point in needing a kickoff specialist in today's NFL either. Also, his punting hasn't out performed Wile in the least. I thought the 54 yarder had plenty of distance? Could be wrong on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: At the start of training camp saying that Dan Bailey was struggling would have been an understatement. But there was more to it than him simply missing kicks. The rotation of McDermott and Cutting, plus the constant switching at holder was causing a lot of timing issues, which led to a lot of missed. It’s not a coincidence that once the team made their decision on Cutting, and stopped trotting 15 different players to hold that Bailey settled down and started making the majority of his kicks. Vedvick is no different. You need to let him settle into his roll. Vedvick is not only getting use to a new long snapper and holder trying to get his timing down, he’s also getting used to a new team, new locker room, new coaches, new city, etc. The guy was crushing it for Baltimore. He didn’t forget how to kick in 2 weeks. The team needs to trust their scouting, and let Vedick settle into his role. And right now, Bailey is firing on all cylinders and is the better kicker. Do you go with the veteran who has it figured out or the youngin' who's struggling to figure it out and nobody knows how long it's going to take him to settle in? Do you risk another Green Bay situation where he misses some kicks because he's not accustomed to the new team, locker room, coaches, city, etc? Let me be clear about something, I WANT the kid to succeed. Like you said, there HAS to be something about the kid to get the talk he was out of Baltimore and to go for a 5th round pick. I'm just saying that if he can't earn a spot on the roster, I don't see how you can keep him over two guys performing well just because he cost a draft pick. Edited August 28, 2019 by Vikes_Bolts1228 Said Vedvik is a rookie. He is not. Young, not rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, vikesfan89 said: I thought the 54 yarder had plenty of distance? Could be wrong on that I was listening to it on the radio and heard right. I tried to re-watch the game but greedy NFL wants you to pay to watch replays but I twittered it looking for a highlight and saw a lot of "SHORT" tweets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Vikes_Bolts1228 said: I'm just saying that if he can't earn a spot on the roster The two other guys on the roster didn’t exactly earn their spots, they were just handed the job based on the team’s scouting. If you trust your scouting enough to give up a 5th round pick for a specialists, then you need to trust your scouting. The Vikings didn’t trust their scouting last year, and it looks like a massive mistake. Edited August 28, 2019 by SemperFeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: The two other guys on the roster didn’t exactly earn their spots, they were just handed the job based on the team’s scouting. Bailey and Wile are kicking well in games & practices. Vedvik is struggling in games and practices. Even if they didn't earn their spots, Vedvik isn't earning one, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krauser Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 The 54 yarder was wide right. It might’ve been a little short but it landed well past the end zone (just rewatched to check). Official gamebook lists it as wide right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Krauser said: The 54 yarder was wide right. It might’ve been a little short but it landed well past the end zone (just rewatched to check). Official gamebook lists it as wide right. That was my thought. I remember thinking at least he had the distance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Krauser said: The 54 yarder was wide right. It might’ve been a little short but it landed well past the end zone (just rewatched to check). Official gamebook lists it as wide right. Thanks! I'm not paying $39.99 to watch replays of pre-season games..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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