Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, swede700 said: He actually had some good ideas...it's just unfortunate that he had the personality of a turnip. Hey, what did turnips every do to you?? If you want to compare coach Chilly to a root vegetable...the parsnip is the obvious choice!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Virginia Viking said: Hey, what did turnips every do to you?? If you want to compare coach Chilly to a root vegetable...the parsnip is the obvious choice!! Turnips, Parsnips...is there really a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 40 minutes ago, Virginia Viking said: Hey, what did turnips every do to you?? If you want to compare coach Chilly to a root vegetable...the parsnip is the obvious choice!! Turnips are like Kevin Hart compared to Brad Childress. Childress could put a cocaine addict to bed within the first 2 minutes of him describing his offense. If you could sell Chilly's personality in pill form, it'd cure insomnia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Ultimately, if I were the Vikings, I’d roll with Vedvick at kicker and Wile at punter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, swede700 said: Turnips, Parsnips...is there really a difference? Turnips actually have SOME flavor...Parsnips, not so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidvikingfan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, SemperFeist said: Most 5th round picks aren’t kickers. You need to take the position into account when discussing the value. Using a 5th round pick on a specialist would be the equivalent of a 2nd/3rd rounder for other positions. NO it is a fifth round pick it can easily be reacquired compared to a second or third. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, solidvikingfan said: NO it is a fifth round pick it can easily be reacquired compared to a second or third. I'm struggling with the "Well it's a kicker so that 5th rounder is like a 2nd rounder!" argument. Last time I checked, a pick doesn't increase/decrease in value pending on what position was used to take the pick. A 5th is a 5th is a 5th. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, SemperFeist said: Ultimately, if I were the Vikings, I’d roll with Vedvick at kicker and Wile at punter. I do the opposite. Bailey as kicker. Vedvick as punter. Punters have less of an impact on a game than a kicker. If you want to be patient with Vedvik and give him every chance to succeed, he should do it as punter until he gets the hang of his new LS, holder, team, stadium, etc. Give him a full season and a full off-season on an NFL roster to work on kicking with Kaeding and the Vikings' kicking battery. Then next year, you roll him out as the kicker. Plus, it's easier to move him to kicker if Bailey sucks. If Vedvik can't kick field goals, then you're going into the free agent dumpster bin. Then that kicker needs to get use to the battery, the team, the stadium, and you're back at step one. Vedvik would already have all that experience as a Viking. Edited August 28, 2019 by Vikes_Bolts1228 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klomp Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Vikes_Bolts1228 said: I'm struggling with the "Well it's a kicker so that 5th rounder is like a 2nd rounder!" argument. Last time I checked, a pick doesn't increase/decrease in value pending on what position was used to take the pick. A 5th is a 5th is a 5th. The pick itself doesn't change, but that's not what he's arguing. It's the value placed on whatever player is picked If you can trade a 5th for a WR or a 5th for a K, the value you're placing on said positions should be different. A 5th round WR should be far more replaceable than a 5th round K. It's like why you didn't see first round RBs drafted for so long. People viewed RBs as more replaceable than other positions, they place less value on them than other positions. Ks are usually seen as replaceable, which is why most are UDFAs. But if you're trading a 5th for one, you probably feel there's more importance to having that player than just adding a UDFA. So to kick em to the curb so quick seems foolish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Vikes_Bolts1228 said: I do the opposite. Bailey as kicker. Vedvick as punter. Punters have less of an impact on a game than a kicker. If you want to be patient with Vedvik and give him every chance to succeed, he should do it as punter until he gets the hang of his new LS, holder, team, stadium, etc. Give him a full season and a full off-season on an NFL roster to work on kicking with Kaeding and the Vikings' kicking battery. Then next year, you roll him out as the kicker. Plus, it's easier to move him to kicker if Bailey sucks. If Vedvik can't kick field goals, then you're going into the free agent dumpster bin. Then that kicker needs to get use to the battery, the team, the stadium, and you're back at step one. Vedvik would already have all that experience as a Viking. good plan. would you make Vedvik the holder on Bailey's kicks too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Klomp said: The pick itself doesn't change, but that's not what he's arguing. It's the value placed on whatever player is picked If you can trade a 5th for a WR or a 5th for a K, the value you're placing on said positions should be different. A 5th round WR should be far more replaceable than a 5th round K. It's like why you didn't see first round RBs drafted for so long. People viewed RBs as more replaceable than other positions, they place less value on them than other positions. Ks are usually seen as replaceable, which is why most are UDFAs. But if you're trading a 5th for one, you probably feel there's more importance to having that player than just adding a UDFA. So to kick em to the curb so quick seems foolish. A 5th rounder is a 5th rounder. End of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, vike daddy said: good plan. would you make Vedvik the holder on Bailey's kicks too? Depends. Whoever is holding for Bailey now should be the holder. He seems to be doing pretty well. Sadly, I couldn't tell you who that is lol. Wile? Bebee? Vedvik? Everson? Edited August 29, 2019 by Vikes_Bolts1228 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solidvikingfan Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Vikes_Bolts1228 said: Depends. Whoever is holding for Bailey now should be the holder. He seems to be doing pretty well. Sadly, I couldn't tell you who that is lol. Wile? Bebee? Vedvik? Everson? It would be Bebee if Wile is cut he and Wile have been doing all the holding in practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 15 hours ago, solidvikingfan said: NO it is a fifth round pick it can easily be reacquired compared to a second or third. Yeah, a 5th is really nbd. If the team wants another one, in round 3 when there are 5 guys that are graded almost the same, they can move down 10 spots for another 5th and likely still get one of their guys. A fifth is not a 1/2, a player you need immediate return on. Most 5s are STers/development players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 hours ago, pacman5252 said: A fifth is not a 1/2, a player you need immediate return on Unless you’re talking about specialists. When teams draft a specialist in the 5th round, they expect an immediate return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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