beardown3231 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 8 hours ago, Madmike90 said: Goldman is a huge part of the future and has to be resigned...Goldman and Hicks along are enough to control the LOS in the run game and keep guys off Smith and Danny T at ILB...that is huge considering both those guys skill sets...you then look at him as a pass rusher...as a pure NT there aren't many better pass rushers and if teams leave him one on one with a centre or reaching guard he has both the power and speed to take advantage of that and push the pocket especially if you keep him fresh which we now have the depth to do. I'm a big fan of Amos as well but when you look at that safety market guys just aren't getting paid which shows a clear trend...Amos is a mid level contract guy and if not we draft someone else or pick up a solid vet. Agree. @JustAnotherFan didn't want him as at 10/year but he's one of the top 5 NT's in football and assuming health, he should continue to not only stuff the run but starting notching a few more sacks. With smaller ILB's they need a big-time DL and with Hicks, RRH, Bullard, Goldman, and Nichols it's set up for success for Roquan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, beardown3231 said: he's one of the top 5 NT's in football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, JustAnotherFan said: I certainly can't think of 5 better true NTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: I certainly can't think of 5 better true NTs. Not sure you could even find 5 other teams who still use a traditional 3-4. It's like someone saying we have the best fullback. Calling Goldman a top-5 NT is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 4 hours ago, dll2000 said: Regardless hard decisions will have to be made in future. No need to worry about all of it now. 2 hours ago, DABEARSLCF04 said: Goldman just got payed on a 4 year extension See what you did @dll2000? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Not sure you could even find 5 other teams who still use a traditional 3-4. It's like someone saying we have the best fullback. Calling Goldman a top-5 NT is ridiculous. You think a NT is like a FB? No point continuing this conversation if your going to be that blinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: You think a NT is like a FB? No point continuing this conversation if your going to be that blinded. Here this might help you: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/analogy But please continue calling Goldman a top-5 player in the league at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: You think a NT is like a FB? No point continuing this conversation if your going to be that blinded. I think he is saying that true NTs aren't commonly used in today's NFL, like a FB. He isn't saying they have the same value in any way. Both posirions probably have 10-13 starters who play a meaningful number of reps. Whereas there are 90 WRs getting 30+ snaps per week easily for example. Just a bigger pool of competition to be called "Top 5" in a position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Or JAF can just post seconds before me to make my post pointless. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, JustAnotherFan said: Here this might help you: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/analogy But please continue calling Goldman a top-5 player in the league at his position. Regardless of it being an analogy or not any kind of comparison is flat out dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sugashane said: I think he is saying that true NTs aren't commonly used in today's NFL, like a FB. He isn't saying they have the same value in any way. Both posirions probably have 10-13 starters who play a meaningful number of reps. Whereas there are 90 WRs getting 30+ snaps per week easily for example. Just a bigger pool of competition to be called "Top 5" in a position. None of which is Goldman's fault tho...he can only play the spot he is asked to play and in playing that spot there aren't 5 better in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: None of which is Goldman's fault tho...he can only play the spot he is asked to play and in playing that spot there aren't 5 better in the NFL. I get what you're saying, I'm just saying the bragging rights aren't like claiming to be a top 5 DT. Specifying NT is like being the fastest kid at fat camp. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sugashane said: I get what you're saying, I'm just saying the bragging rights aren't like claiming to be a top 5 DT. Specifying NT is like being the fastest kid at fat camp. Lol No one is saying it is...just that he does the job asked of him at a very high level...nothing wrong with being a fat kid if it gets you paid lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: No one is saying it is...just that he does the job asked of him at a very high level...nothing wrong with being a fat kid if it gets you paid lol. I think the larger point here is how does this affect our cap? We are tying a lot of money to our DL right now. Floyd is entering his 5th year so are we going to pay him too? We can't tie up that kind of money (cap nerds correct me) into one defensive group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, Nads786 said: I think the larger point here is how does this affect our cap? We are tying a lot of money to our DL right now. Floyd is entering his 5th year so are we going to pay him too? We can't tie up that kind of money (cap nerds correct me) into one defensive group. That is a good question. Floyd will have to show some major improvement with all this talent around him. If he can only get 6 sacks with Mack and Hicks taking the brunt of the focus then he probably isn't worth a big investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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