AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, Heimdallr said: I have no problem with Dany going mad, and that is how I expect it to play out in the books, but they needed about 10 more episodes of development to really get to that point. Completely rushed. Exactly. 11 minutes ago, Heimdallr said: Did anyone else get huge Star Wars Empire vibes from Dany's speech? D+D already working on their Star Wars material. Yep. That whole thing was basically a speech from the First Order as they're about to blow up a planet in another galaxy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyers0909 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Superman(DH23) said: Some of the masters were innocent of the crime of crucifying children. That was her justice. They were innocent, but held responsible bc of their birth. Do you not see the subtext there? Sounds like lazy writing to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: What innocent people did she murder before? The masters were not innocent. He literally explained it in the post you quoted. It was shown on screen that at least one of those masters was innocent and opposed the other masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, pwny said: I mean, refer to my reply a few minutes ago. Okay I mean if you want Dany to go mad, just stop spending so much time portraying her as someone who goes out of her way to not kill innocent people, then. Boom. Inconsistencies solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Or....lazy writing is justifying more fast-traveling characters because they need to put them in certain places in order to advance the episode? Kind of like how Euron swam a triathlon in the previous episode just to conveniently land on the same beach as Jaime at the exact moment Jaime was going to save Cersei? Or how Theon fast traveled up to King's Landing after being on a ship with Yara? It is nit picking but jfc this show has no sense of time any longer because of how rushed everything needs to be. It has no sense of time bc GRRM lost sense of time and just said eff it, timeframe really has no more meaning anymore. I dont know exactly when all these events took place, some happened concurrently, some happened consecutively, the point is that they happened. Work it out for yourself how it all works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, flyers0909 said: Sounds like lazy writing to me! Is this a troll? How in the world is that lazy writing? It was explained seasons ago that she wasn't above murdering innocents for her idea of the greater good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, JonStark said: He literally explained it in the post you quoted. It was shown on screen that at least one of those masters was innocent and opposed the other masters. Wasn't that dude spared, though? Or am I thinking of something else. I'm thinking of the master who was chained in the basement then freed and ultimately died in the fighting pits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 It is possible for Dany killing an entire population of innocents to both have been foreshadowed, and for it to be a shocking turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywindO2 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, Heimdallr said: Jon confronting Dany about killing the Lannister prisoners came way too late too. They just pulled scenes out of a hat when they were editing them together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, JonStark said: Is this a troll? How in the world is that lazy writing? It was explained seasons ago that she wasn't above murdering innocents for her idea of the greater good. He was being sarcastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: It has no sense of time bc GRRM lost sense of time and just said eff it, timeframe really has no more meaning anymore. I dont know exactly when all these events took place, some happened concurrently, some happened consecutively, the point is that they happened. Work it out for yourself how it all works. Can people please stop saying GRRM has anything to do with the show at this point? He doesn't. The only thing he did beyond S4 was provide the outline for how things would end. GRRM didn't lose sense of time, D&D did. If you're okay with characters warping places and then you actually get upset because people are criticizing that, the problem isn't the people criticizing it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywindO2 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: She literally chains up ALL of her dragons after one of them accidentally kills a child She chained up Rheagal and Viserion after Drogon intentionally killed a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldman9er Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: It is nit picking but jfc this show has no sense of time any longer because of how rushed everything needs to be. Life is often unfair and unkind. We learn to absorb and get beyond it, generally. Best wishes for this sent. Edited May 20, 2019 by oldman9er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, JonStark said: He literally explained it in the post you quoted. It was shown on screen that at least one of those masters was innocent and opposed the other masters. Slave master and innocent don't go together like child and innocent. They were innocent of crucifying those people but how innocent was their character? Totally debatable. Not really as debatable as the innocence of a small child. Looks it's obvious season 8 will be divided amongst those who bought the writers laying the context for Dany to go mad, and those who don't. There isn't a right side. The only point about this that is not arguable to me is that the writers left lots of evidence for each side to use to call others wrong, and then had to explain their p.o.v because they rushed to get to the conclusion. Some bought it, others don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, skywindO2 said: Jon confronting Dany about killing the Lannister prisoners came way too late too. They just pulled scenes out of a hat when they were editing them together. That is what I thought too. They make a big deal of Jon marching off to go talk to Dany right away, but then in the next shot Greyworm is already just chilling there, and then once Jon and Dany finally start talking Jon sort of forgets about it for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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