Game of Thrones - Our Watch has Ended

[pwny]

1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Okay I mean if you want Dany to go mad, just stop spending so much time portraying her as someone who goes out of her way to not kill innocent people, then. Boom. Inconsistencies solved.

GRRM: no war is noble, no matter how noble you think you are.

Fans: don’t use a character we think is noble to show us war isn’t noble. 

[Heimdallr]

Just now, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Can people please stop saying GRRM has anything to do with the show at this point? He doesn't. The only thing he did beyond S4 was provide the outline for how things would end. GRRM didn't lose sense of time, D&D did. 

Also, that outline really doesn't mean anything either, considering they completely cut out the Young Griff / Aegon story (sort of a big deal..).

[Superman(DH23)]

2 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Wasn't that dude spared, though? Or am I thinking of something else. I'm thinking of the master who was chained in the basement then freed and ultimately died in the fighting pits.

Yeah, you're getting your Masters confused.  Dany has killed innocents along the way.  The whole masters crucifixion and then finding out later that some were innocent is supposed to make us think about the innocent casualties lost in trying to inact our own "justice"

[pwny]

3 minutes ago, Heimdallr said:

It is possible for Dany killing an entire population of innocents to both have been foreshadowed, and for it to be a shocking turn.

For sure. But the foreshadowing should mean that people aren’t aghast over how it possibly could have happened and calling it bad writing, a week after the episode aired. 

[JonStark]

1 minute ago, Packerraymond said:

Slave master and innocent don't go together like child and innocent. They were innocent of crucifying those people but how innocent was their character? Totally debatable. Not really as debatable as the innocence of a small child.

Looks it's obvious season 8 will be divided amongst those who bought the writers laying the context for Dany to go mad, and those who don't. There isn't a right side. The only point about this that is not arguable to me is that the writers left lots of evidence for each side to use to call others wrong, and then had to explain their p.o.v because they rushed to get to the conclusion. Some bought it, others don't.

I mean, the guy was born as a slave master and I'm pretty sure they make a point to say he was kind to his slaves. Hence him opposing the crucifying of the slaves. Obviously there's a difference between them and children, but it's still something that you need to take into account with Dany's character. 

I agree with the second part though. Just because I'm happy with how it ended doesn't mean that I don't think the writers dropped the ball cramming the rest of the story into 6 episodes (or 13 going back to last season).  

4 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Wasn't that dude spared, though? Or am I thinking of something else. I'm thinking of the master who was chained in the basement then freed and ultimately died in the fighting pits.

He was not. They were referring to one of the masters who was against crucifying and was generally a good man that Dany crucified herself. 

3 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said:

He was being sarcastic

Thanks, I can't tell any more. 

[Packerraymond]

Just now, pwny said:

For sure. But the foreshadowing should mean that people aren’t aghast over how it possibly could have happened and calling it bad writing, a week after the episode aired. 

Why did she banish her own children to chains in a dark cave for burning 1 single innocent child then? 

LIS, there are loads of words and actions the writers gave both sides for evidence that she was or was not capable of killing women and children. 

Instead of a slow descent into madness like say an Anakin Skywalker experiences, the writers chose to have her snap in favor of plot twist and shock. That's always going to leave it open for debate.

[JonStark]

6 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Can people please stop saying GRRM has anything to do with the show at this point? He doesn't. The only thing he did beyond S4 was provide the outline for how things would end. GRRM didn't lose sense of time, D&D did. 

If you're okay with characters warping places and then you actually get upset because people are criticizing that, the problem isn't the people criticizing it lol

He absolutely had something to do with the main characters and ending of the series. We'll have to wait until the books to come out to find out how much but I'd be willing to bet Jon kills Dany in those as well.

[Superman(DH23)]

2 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Can people please stop saying GRRM has anything to do with the show at this point? He doesn't. The only thing he did beyond S4 was provide the outline for how things would end. GRRM didn't lose sense of time, D&D did. 

If you're okay with characters warping places and then you actually get upset because people are criticizing that, the problem isn't the people criticizing it lol

GRRM did this in the books.  And GRRM has still been involved in the show.  He has been a paid consultant and exec producer from the first episode to the last.  He has not received a writing credit since season 4 (btw he only wrote 1 or 2 eps each season) he has still been directly involved.  People mistakenly have assumed that since he said he was going to be stepping back from his direct writing of episodes and that they had passed the book materials that he isnt involved.  Not true.  People also have interpreted his talk of frustration in not being the final decision maker as evidence that hes not involved.  Again not true.  His talk of frustration was a pretty generic comment about working on a TV show, from who has been working on TV shows for 30 years.  There is a large team and he is a member of that team.  

[sunnygsm]

26 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said:

Yes and no.  This was always who Dany was.  But achieving her goal clearly left her with a lust for more power, which is why Jon did what he did.  She wasnt content with the Iron Throne, she wanted to rule all of humanity.

Mostly yes. It was always within the scope of her character, but had things not gone astray, you'd have to believe she wouldn't have gone off the deep end. She'd lost the plot by the end. 

[Heimdallr]

4 minutes ago, pwny said:

For sure. But the foreshadowing should mean that people aren’t aghast over how it possibly could have happened and calling it bad writing, a week after the episode aired. 

I'd still call it poor writing just in the way they rushed it, but that is a different issue.

[oldman9er]

Just now, pwny said:

For sure. But the foreshadowing should mean that people aren’t aghast over how it possibly could have happened and calling it bad writing, a week after the episode aired. 

The foreshadowing of the thread is this. 

You can't possible conceive of...

person A having a heated discussion with person B.

Then person A moves along on his path..

then goes unseen.. no telling what he does since that conversation (ex. takes a bathroom break) or how long it takes...

then person A continues on his path..

only to then see person B yet again in front of him later.. "OH MY GOSH, HOW could this be??????!!!!!???? SHOW is GARBAGES!!!!"

[flyers0909]

13 minutes ago, JonStark said:

Is this a troll? How in the world is that lazy writing? It was explained seasons ago that she wasn't above murdering innocents for her idea of the greater good. 

Sarcasm that must not have come through.  It seems like every complaint in this thread is due to "lazy writing."

Edited May 20, 2019 by flyers0909

[pwny]

1 minute ago, oldman9er said:

The foreshadowing of the thread is this. 

You can't possible conceive of...

person A having a heated discussion with person B.

Then person A moves along on his path..

then goes unseen.. no telling what he does since that conversation (ex. takes a bathroom break) or how long it takes...

then person A continues on his path..

only to then see person B yet again in front of him later.. "OH MY GOSH, HOW could this be??????!!!!!???? SHOW is GARBAGES!!!!"

Jon also had to push through the Dothraki to get there, while Greyworm probably was basically escorted and everyone made room for him. 

[Superman(DH23)]

1 minute ago, pwny said:

Jon also had to push through the Dothraki to get there, while Greyworm probably was basically escorted and everyone made room for him. 

And it's not like GW had a lot to do to hold him up, he only had 3 more prisoners to execute.

[JonStark]

1 minute ago, flyers0909 said:

Sarcasm that must not have come through.  It seems like every complaint in this thread is due to "lazy writing."

Sorry, I can't tell anymore haha that's the easiest complaint so people are throwing it around like crazy.