pwny Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: But you think the other lords and people of KL and Westeros would know and/or believe that he's the 3ER and has the powers? Literally anyone who questions that can get proven wrong by the telling of their deepest secrets. This isn’t a problem at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Forge said: He will leave them in peace. He didn't burn the city down, Dany did. Would Dany have had problems with revolts? Possibly, yeah. We saw that in Mereen as well. I find it much more likely that Bran will not have a problem with the people of King's landing compared to Dany ascending the throne. 1 His brother played a major role in her burning down the city and his "army" ran through the city killing innocent people and raping the women, but sure, they'd support him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He has loyalty in Kings Landing? Since when? You mean the citizens? The commoners? They could not care less who sits on the throne. Cersei's soldiers and anyone that actually cares is either dead, or loyal to Bran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He has loyalty in Kings Landing? Since when? The North has been war-torn and will have to rebuild their own kingdom, not sure they'll have money to give to him to rebuild KL. Would anyone else believe that though? And why would the people of KL willingly follow him? After all, he is the brother of Jon Snow, you know, the lover of the tyrant that just destroyed their entire city and killed the majority of the population... The same King's Landing that was just torched by Dany? Name me someone who would have more loyalty among the remaining civilians and realm as a whole. Who cares if they believe it or not? Why does that even matter? He doesn't even need to tell anyone, but it doesn't mean you can take it away from him as a qualification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: His brother played a major role in her burning down the city and his "army" ran through the city killing innocent people and raping the women, but sure, they'd support him. You are assuming that the common people acknowledge any sort of role in that. The story will be that it was Dany - and the story will be that Jon killed her to save him. Stories are important. Again, the people are tired. Could there be minor uprisings? Sure. There usually is in chaos that follows. Is it going to be smaller than the problems that Dany would have had to deal with? Yes, I think that's very logical. I point to the quote from Jorah, which is very true. Like, what are you expecting the people of King's landing to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: His brother played a major role in her burning down the city and his "army" ran through the city killing innocent people and raping the women, but sure, they'd support him. Or, Bran is the brother of the hero that killed the horrifying dragon queen. That is a much better story, and a good story is all that matters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Heimdallr said: Also the 3ER, the most powerful/important person in the world. Which, of course, S8 does literally nothing to reinforce. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Bran is the most powerful/important person in the world during this season. "Oh he has visions!" that he could've used to prevent Dany's massacre, but didn't. "He can warg!" but he doesn't. If the show was convincing us that Bran was powerful in his current state, they failed completely and totally. He was 1000000% useless for all of S8. The only thing he accomplished was revealing Jon's heritage, which only drove Dany to become mad and commit genocide and put Bran on the throne as a result. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Okay so assuming you’re all correct and everyone respects Bran as a leader. Doesn’t that make him an evil tyrant? He knew that revealing Jon’s identity would lead down this path and willingly did it so he could become king. He literally drove Dany mad, causing her to kill millions, which forced the real heir to the throne to kill her and be exiled. Would you want a sick, sadistic individual willing to let millions of innocent people die in order to gain power? Or is just bad when Dany does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Heimdallr said: Or, Bran is the brother of the hero that killed the horrifying dragon queen. That is a much better story, and a good story is all that matters. Which is ironic considering how this show ended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, pwny said: If you thought the ending disrespected the source material, you just completely missed the entire point of the source material. Full stop. That’s not my opinion, that’s a fact. Gripes about pacing, nuance and all that are fine. If you want to complain about time travel or the intelligence of dragons, whatever. But if for some reason you believe that Dany shouldn’t have burned down the city, that Jon shouldn’t have killed Dany, that Bran shouldn’t have been king or that Sansa shouldn’t have led an independent North, you just missed the entire point of the series. I agree these are probably the end conclusions in the books. The point is how we got there and how absolutely unorganic they felt and rushed beyond measure. Sloppy execution throughout this entire season as well. Go ahead and watch reactions to Jon killing Danny. It’s blankness. No happiness, sadness, anger, surprised, nothing. It didn’t even feel real because of how poorly written, rushed, and executed the whole thing was. And the writers do deserve the blame because they rushed it on purpose for Star Wars. I have zero problem with these being the endings in the book but it will actually feel organic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: Okay so assuming you’re all correct and everyone respects Bran as a leader. Doesn’t that make him an evil tyrant? He knew that revealing Jon’s identity would lead down this path and willingly did it so he could become king. He literally drove Dany mad, causing her to kill millions, which forced the real heir to the throne to kill her and be exiled. Would you want a sick, sadistic individual willing to let millions of innocent people die in order to gain power? Or is just bad when Dany does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: Okay so assuming you’re all correct and everyone respects Bran as a leader. Doesn’t that make him an evil tyrant? He knew that revealing Jon’s identity would lead down this path and willingly did it so he could become king. He literally drove Dany mad, causing her to kill millions, which forced the real heir to the throne to kill her and be exiled. Would you want a sick, sadistic individual willing to let millions of innocent people die in order to gain power? Or is just bad when Dany does it? Except he literally told Jon it was his choice whether or not to reveal it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Okay so assuming you’re all correct and everyone respects Bran as a leader. Doesn’t that make him an evil tyrant? He knew that revealing Jon’s identity would lead down this path and willingly did it so he could become king. He literally drove Dany mad, causing her to kill millions, which forced the real heir to the throne to kill her and be exiled. Would you want a sick, sadistic individual willing to let millions of innocent people die in order to gain power? Or is just bad when Dany does it? Like @AFlaccoSeagulls just mentioned, Bran's entire story is a huge hole. They showed he can go into the past and change events. We know he can see everything past and present, and at least a bit of the future. We know he can warg. Yet, he did nothing(?) this season. It would make a ton of sense if the 3ER actually orchestrated all this so he ended up on the throne, but they do not explain that well at all. Either Bran/3ER is super powerful and actually the bad guy that did this, or he is... useless? They really messed up that story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, JonStark said: Except he literally told Jon it was his choice whether or not to reveal it... And he knew that if Jon chose to reveal it that millions of innocent people would die and he’d ultimately end up on the throne. So he was willing to sacrifice millions of innocent lives so that he and his family could rule Westeros. It all makes sense, the real big bads were the Starks and they manipulated the Targarians and Lannister’s throughout the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, NYRaider said: But you think the other lords and people of KL and Westeros would know and/or believe that he's the 3ER and has the powers? Do you think the people of KL would be loyal to Bran? Hell no. He also has no army to defend KL so anyone could realistically just waltz on in, murder him, and take over. I don’t think it matters if they believe it or not. Half the Lord Paramount are related to him and the other half are allies. Only Dorne and the Iron Islands don’t have Lord Paramounts that were in one of those categories and those two gave him the okay. All their banners are going to support a decision made by all the high lords they pledge fealty too. Who is going to waltz in? They have to contend with a King unanimously voted on by the heads of all the major houses who would be obligated to raise banners for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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