2019 NFL Draft/College Thread

[Airness McNairness]

The more I study Kelvin Harmon, the more I like him. I like him over Harry and Brown. I'd pick him over just about any WR..

[Mariota615TN]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t draft an OLB really early. I think we’re really high on Sharif Finch (and I like Finch a lot). I think we go..

rd1: D-Line (Wilkins)

rd2: Tackle/Guard (Tytus Howard)

rd3: OLB (Roberson)

also, I don’t think we touch WR until Rd 4/5/or 6

... we’ve invested a First Rd 1 in Davis and 36 million into a free agent, no way we draft a WR early. More likely to draft a TE early than WR. 

Edited April 14, 2019 by Mariota615TN

[ttitansfan4life]

I’m taking Arcega-Whiteside at 51 before any receiver at 19. Same goes for Samuel. 

[Daniel]

2 hours ago, Mariota615TN said:

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t draft an OLB really early. I think we’re really high on Sharif Finch (and I like Finch a lot). I think we go..

rd1: D-Line (Wilkins)

rd2: Tackle/Guard (Tytus Howard)

rd3: OLB (Roberson)

also, I don’t think we touch WR until Rd 4/5/or 6

... we’ve invested a First Rd 1 in Davis and 36 million into a free agent, no way we draft a WR early. More likely to draft a TE early than WR. 

If the first pick is a stud DL player, then they probably will address OL and WR before they take a OLB.  The way they're likely to look at it is that help at the pass rush, whether it comes from the interior or the edge, is still help with the pass rush.  You can afford a weak edge rush if Wilkins is an instant contributor paired with Casey.  Plus, there's blitzes, which Pees likes.

[KingTitan]

9 hours ago, ttitansfan4life said:

I’m taking Arcega-Whiteside at 51 before any receiver at 19. Same goes for Samuel. 

Love JJ. 

How could you not like the way he uses his body. 

[KingTitan]

I do like aj Brown. 

I'd take him in the 1st. Love to trade down a little and still get him. 

[615finest]

11 hours ago, KingTitan said:

I do like aj Brown. 

I'd take him in the 1st. Love to trade down a little and still get him. 

AJ is becoming my favorite WR the more I watch him.. I love his confidence and swagger

[Mariota615TN]

Jerry Tillery of Notre Dame is really starting to grow on me. Wouldn’t mind taking him at #19.

His floor is lower, but I honestly believe his upside is higher than Christian Wilkins. His dimensions are insane and he’s a true pass rusher.

Edited April 16, 2019 by Mariota615TN

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, Mariota615TN said:

Jerry Tillery of Notre Dame is really starting to grow on me. Wouldn’t mind taking him at #19.

His floor is lower, but I honestly believe his upside is higher than Christian Wilkins. His dimensions are insane and he’s a true pass rusher.

You know what's not insane?  His college production, despite being pretty clearly a superior athlete.

I'd happily take Tillery at 51.

[ttitansfan4life]

5 hours ago, Mariota615TN said:

Jerry Tillery of Notre Dame is really starting to grow on me. Wouldn’t mind taking him at #19.

His floor is lower, but I honestly believe his upside is higher than Christian Wilkins. His dimensions are insane and he’s a true pass rusher.

I like Tillery and honestly isn’t far off from Wilkins. People say he’s only had one year of production but his 2017 season was pretty good as well. Last year was just really good as a pass-rusher. Certainly wouldn’t hate the pick at 19.

[Mind Character]

9 hours ago, Mariota615TN said:

Jerry Tillery of Notre Dame is really starting to grow on me. Wouldn’t mind taking him at #19.

His floor is lower, but I honestly believe his upside is higher than Christian Wilkins. His dimensions are insane and he’s a true pass rusher.

 

3 hours ago, ttitansfan4life said:

I like Tillery and honestly isn’t far off from Wilkins. People say he’s only had one year of production but his 2017 season was pretty good as well. Last year was just really good as a pass-rusher. Certainly wouldn’t hate the pick at 19.

Although it's not a popularized opinion in the draftnik community, Tillery is the superior player in terms of interior pass rush, pocket push/displacement, QB platform disruption relative  to Wilkins in a lot of minds of personnel execs and evaluators, as well as based on a wide variety of non-boxscore stat metrics and analytics. He certainly is in mine and it has nothing to do with his size but everything to do with his consistent heavy-violent punch and advanced hand usagePFF is neither god nor infallible; furthermore, there are issues that many in the analytics community have with how they code pressure and other football plays before doing their quantitative analyses, but even still Tillery is the superior pass and run disrupter relative to Wilkins. Wilkins is a great get skinny, high motor, run down the line chase, quick one-gap penetrator who happens to be off the charts in terms of locker room leadership. However, he is not even close to fit in a 34 defense imo unless as a 5tech DE, but he's not aggressive, heavy-handed, or combative enough to play the run and run fit at a high level in the 34 imo. He's a 43-3Tech and situational end in the 43 much like he was at Clemson in 2017.

[SerenityNow]

There's still so many avenues that we could take with our 19th pick and our draft as a whole. There's so many positions in play that make it so exciting.  I could see us drafting someone in the interior to take care of interior pass rush early, and playing guys like Jayon and Rashaan Evans at OLB in various packages. I still think we'll draft another OLB at some point during the draft, but if we don't go OLB early that's how I see us playing things going into the season.  I could see us drafting a TE as a bigger outside WR type of threat more so than a traditional TE and giving us another weapon on offense.  The best thing for us is that there is a lot of talent and depth at most of the positions that we have the biggest needs at.

Also I love seeing the love some of you guys have for JJ Arcega-Whiteside. He's great. He was one of my favorite guys to watch at Stanford over the last few years. He'd be a really beneficial weapon for Marcus. I'm really hoping this is the year that we finally get one of my Stanford guys in Two Tone Blue whether that be JJ or Bryce Love. I'd be pretty excited. Great players and even better guys. They definitely fit the JRob mold.

[Mind Character]

Titans Mock 1.0:

Background: My brother-in-law and his family recently moved to Tennessee, and he's now all-in as a follower of the Titans. He used to work in the pro-football business and our recent football convos have involved discussions of roster building for the Titans, Browns, and how this draft is critical for Jon Robinson to secure the necessary talent foundational pieces that will see them through the QB transition from Mariota to likely the next QB in the event that Mariota regresses in play or health and/or Tannehill doesn't elevate. 

To keep up with my b.i.l., I've been studying the Titans roster over the last few weeks, and I'm excited at the possibilities for this draft.

I think trading down from 19 and securing present and/or future draft capital is a must as the depth at positions of need for the Titans within the draft pool could help round out the roster well as opposed to just picking at 19.

The Mock:

Draft Philosophy: Don't let the focus on Needs and current roster solid positional group standing prevent you from transforming a particular positional group of major impact value to an Elite group. Take whatever pathway to Elite that is presently available. BPA W/ a Few Need Considerations

1(19)**TRADE from 19 to 26-30 range ... Receive a 2019 3rd Round Pick; a 2019 5th Round Pick; a 2019 6th Round Pick; and a 2020 7th Round Pick**

1(26-30 Via Trade) Garrett Bradbury, C North Carolina State

2(51) Chase Winovich, 34OLB-Convert Michigan

3(82.) Lonnie Johnson Jr., CB Kentucky

**3(89-97 Via Trade) Tytus Howard, OT Alabama St.

4(121) Zach Allen, 34DE-Convert Boston College

5(157) Justice Hill, RB Oklahoma State

**5(164-170 Via Trade) Michael Deiter, OG/OC/OT Wisconsin

6(189) John Cominsky, 34DE Charleston 

**6(199-205 Via Trade) Daylon Mack, NT TAMU

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My Thoughts:

1.) Selecting a TE or WR or 34 NT/DE high in the draft comes with the opportunity cost of foregoing the ability to become great to elite at other impact positions (34OLB edge and Offensive Line) when no TE, WR, or 34 NT/DE selection at such draft positions would elevate a position group or impact the win-loss pursuits in such a meanigful way as edge and OL imo. I wanted to mock another pass-catcher preferably at TE (Arcega-Whiteside as a TE-Convert or Jace Sternberger) with Walker at age 35 coming back from injury and Jonnu coming back from injury, but the value wasn't there based on my board. There were few WRs that fit with Corey Davis and Adam Humphries' skill set that would be worth the 1st or 2nd round pick. Arguably, Marquis Brown could be a tremendous upgrade over Tawaan Taylor and offer a similar slot speed dynamic, but I doubt he's there at 51 and I doubt his durability. Arcega-Whiteside, Humphries, and Davis on the field at the same time is not a good fit as they all struggle to uncover quickly at times w/ Davis and Humphries being better than JJAW giving CBs the ability to condense the field and sit on routes and muddy up underneath TE routes. In theory, it sounds good to have jump ball combat catch guys but spacing maters. Deebo Samuels and Hakeem Butler would be great as the 3rd WR to Davis and Humphries; however, the impact of Winovich at 34OLB plus Tawaan Taylor's impact is more valuable than having just the drafted WR imo. After the TEs in the 2nd or 3rd, the impact value of the TEs is similar to what will be available in the late rounds. The UDFA TE class will also feature some gems.

2.) I also wanted to mock a 34 NT higher in the mock, but one thing my b.i.l. and I have been talking about is how deep the UDFA talent pool is for 34 DLineman this year. That's not to say that you rely on them, but because of so few teams using the 34 and the specific skill set of the 34 NT, often times there many immediate contributors and/or impact starters available as undrafted FAs. A lot of people love Dexter Lawrence the freaky, massive athlete, but he has slow, plodding hands and doesn't have fluid, explosive hips that would make a 1st round selection of a NT worth the impact when I think similar production can be had in later rounds, via trade, or currently available as Free Agents that can be had for cheap, 1-yr prove it deals (NT Danny Shelton, DE Ziggy Hood, DE Allen Bailey, DE Corey Liuget, DE/NT Timmy Jernigan, etc).

3.) Therefore, passing on needs of TE/impact WR pass-catcher and 34NT allowed me to take the available path based on the current talent pool in the draft and FA to build the roster toward elite impact grouping at 34OLB and CB key position groups. 

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Potential High Usage Player Roster Preview:

Offense (?):

Quarterbacks (?):

QB: Marcus Mariota // Ryan Tannehill // Logan Woodside

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Running Backs (?):

RB: Derrick Henry // Justice Hill // Dion Lewis

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Fullback (?):

FB: N/A; 

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Wide Receivers (?):

WR1: Corey Davis // Tajae Sharpe

WR2: Adam Humphries // Roger Lewis

Slot-WR: Taywan Taylor // Darius Jennings // Cameron Batson // (Find a Cap-Casualty or UDFA and develop)

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Tight Ends (?):

TE: Jonnu Smith // Delanie Walker // Anthony Firkser // Mychole Pruitt // (Find a Cap-Casualty or UDFA and develop)

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Offensive Linemen (?):

LT: Taylor Lewan // (Tytus Howard) // Kevin Pamphile

LG: Roger Saffold // (Michael Deiter) // Tyler Marz // Corey Levin

C: Garrett Bradbury // Ben Jones // (Michael Deiter)

RG: Jack Conklin (Position Change) // Michael Deiter // (Tytus Howard)

RT: Tytus Howard // (Jack Conklin) // Dennis Kelly // (Michael Deiter)

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Defense (?):

Defensive linemen (?):

DE: Zach Allen // Sign a FA (Ziggy Hood, Bailey Jernigan, etc and wait until 2020 draft for a core roster player)// Daquon Jones

NT: Austin Johnson // Daylon Mack // (Sign Danny Shelton on a 1-year Cheap deal and wait until 2020 draft for a core roster player)

DE: Jurell Casey // John Cominsky

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Linebackers (?):

OLB: Chase Winovich // Cameron Wake // Kamalei Correa

ILB: Wesley Woodyard-OR-Rashaan Evans

ILB Jayon Brown-OR-Rashaan Evans

OLB: Harold Landry // Sharif Finch (I LOVE Landry's film from last year; but I think he & Winovich will be special 34-OLB whose pairing w/ Wake allows the 2 young edge players to emerge as stars in a year or 2 with a strong core of rotational impact pass rushers becoming a dominant force; Correa/Finch are good role player depth; Wake is one-year on-field flash and great leadership/mentorship)

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Corner Backs (?):

CB: Adoree' Jackson // (Logan Ryan)

CB: Lonnie Johnson Jr. // Logan Ryan // LeShaun Sims

NCB: Malcolm Butler (maximize his skill as he struggles as a boundary CB)

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Free Safeties (?):

FS: Kevin Byard // Dane Cruikshank

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Strong Safeties (?):

SS: Kenny Vaccaro // Damon Webb

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Specialists (3):

Kicker (1): Ryan Succop; 

Punter (1):Brett Kern;

Long snapper (1):Beau Brinkley

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Edited April 17, 2019 by Mind Character

[TitanRedd]

2 hours ago, Mind Character said:

 

Although it's not a popularized opinion in the draftnik community, Tillery is the superior player in terms of interior pass rush, pocket push/displacement, QB platform disruption relative  to Wilkins in a lot of minds of personnel execs and evaluators, as well as based on a wide variety of non-boxscore stat metrics and analytics. He certainly is in mine and it has nothing to do with his size but everything to do with his consistent heavy-violent punch and advanced hand usagePFF is neither god nor infallible; furthermore, there are issues that many in the analytics community have with how they code pressure and other football plays before doing their quantitative analyses, but even still Tillery is the superior pass and run disrupter relative to Wilkins. Wilkins is a great get skinny, high motor, run down the line chase, quick one-gap penetrator who happens to be off the charts in terms of locker room leadership. However, he is not even close to fit in a 34 defense imo unless as a 5tech DE, but he's not aggressive, heavy-handed, or combative enough to play the run and run fit at a high level in the 34 imo. He's a 43-3Tech and situational end in the 43 much like he was at Clemson in 2017.

He reminds me of another Notre Dame DE that I wanted so badly that people said he wasn’t that good though his last yr in college he was hurt, Stephon Tuitt

[SerenityNow]

I've really started to like the idea of taking Brian Burns at 19. Obviously I'd love to trade down and accumulate more picks as anybody would, but Burns checks all the boxes. Great get off at the LOS, an athletic freak, great length, solid production, and the cherry on top of him only being 20 years old all has me very intrigued.