2018 WEEK 2 Ravens @ Bengals TNF

[Danand]

50 minutes ago, RavensDefense3 said:

ya not sure why allen was getting so many snaps over collins. hopefully mosely is ok.

Someone earlier today criticised some of us for not praising Buck Allen and his unique ability to be completely average.

I just woke and read a review of the game - this is the QB play every team get, when the offensive line has a bad day - especially if it comes from a 4 man rush.

Not the result I hoped for, but still a lot of opportunities to come back this season. We are a 7-9 / 9-7 team. Just gotta find 7 more wins against the weakest opponents and then pull an upset against one of the other playoff teams.

 

[DreamKid]

Pass Rush

- Play Tim Williams. He is a proven F$%KING PASS RUSH SPECIALIST. Why are we once again seeing him not be played when the Pass Rush is stalling. WHY?!!

- Play Tyus Bowser. Bowser is the best athlete we have at LB. Even if he is blocked initially, he will get there. His change of direction, and speed, is too much for Tackles. If he doesn't beat them right away, they can only hold him off for so long. I can't watch Suggs, Judon, and Smith just pattycake Tackles anymore. Get guys in there who can move and explode.

- Activate Zach Sieler. Sieler is so adept at getting into the backfield for a DI, and he's plus against the run too. He's more valuable to us than Janarion Grant. It's time for him to play, and if he outperforms a veteran.....so what?

OL

- Hurst sucks at Right Tackle, wow...who saw that coming. Hey maybe we should start that Right Tackle we drafted in the 3rd round. You know, the one who showed all that promise.

LB

- Hey look, Kenny Young is significantly better than Peanut. Maybe he should be a starter? Just like everyone thought half way into the preseason. Maybe we shouldn't just start outperformed veterans for no reason.

 

Offense

- Taking our best play maker off the field frequently is an interesting strategy. Maybe having Alex Collins on the sideline so often really makes the defense think?

[DreamKid]

On a positive note. I thought Maxx Williams looked the healthiest he has in a while. Though, I could've sworn I saw him get up limpy on his final catch.

Also Mark Andrews is looking like a future star for us. They need to stop rotating him out so often. 

[DreamKid]

Nope. Don't care. Great Defenses can't collapse like that.

 

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

1 hour ago, BaltimoreTerp said:

Man I don't care if you call it an overreaction, this is exactly the sort of game we needed to show up to and win if we were gonna prove that this team is actually different than the past 5 years of mediocrity, and man, I just don't see it. Flacco still looks like a college QB with zero pocket presence for long stretches, the defense can't tackle, we still have zero idea that Alex Collins exists, we can't play a full 60 minutes, and oh my god is the clock management terrible.

We'll play this season out and it'll be whatever. 8-8, maybe 9-7 at best is where we'll continue to be. This isn't a special group. It never will be, not as long as this is a Flacco/Harbaugh team. Cannot wait for things to change. 

I'm right there with you. New year, new DC, same piss poor mentality on both sides of the ball. IMHO it starts and ends with Harbaugh. There's been too much change elsewhere to blame that. However, the lack of Tim Williams, the lack of Tyus Bowser, the lack of defensive adjustments and the lack of any sort of anything on defense is where I pass the torch from Harbaugh to someone else - but then it comes right back to Harbaugh because HE HIRED THE DAMN GUY AND CHOSE NOT TO GO OUTSIDE THE ORG.

1 hour ago, DreamKid said:

Ronnie Stanley doesn't look like he's progressing. Expecting some big step from him..is becoming more and more difficult.

Also agreed here. If there was a big step to take, he would've taken it by now. When he's healthy (which is never?) he's mediocre at best. When he's not, he's pretty bad. I don't understand how a top 6 pick in the NFL with Ozzie Newsome on the OL is that bad.

1 hour ago, Ras said:

That was one of the weirdest endings I've ever watched. You could see in the final seconds, Harbaugh didn't look like he understood himself. How do you just give up with 2+ minutes remaining?? They couldn't do the spread dink and dunk to start the f******* game?!

Option 1: Dink and dunk, kick the FG and get the onside kick.

Option 2: Throw that ***** deep and hope for a TD + onside kick.

Harbaugh wanted option 2. Flacco wanted option 1 without the FG. Just absolutely embarrassing.

[berlin calling]

i am frustrated like everyone that Marvin Lewis still thoroughly enjoys embarassing the Ravens and JH does not have any idea what to do about it. 

badly outcoached but i believe this team can be better than that and has potential in its players to be able to beat anybody.

however, that potential needs to be complemented and directed by coaching and with JH at helm nothing will change, it will always be satisfaction with mediocrity. 

 as a Ravens fan you really need to accept there will always be highest highs and lowest lows which will occur any given Sunday. Sigh.

also, i do not want to ever watch my team in Vikings uniforms again. 

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

26 minutes ago, Danand said:

Someone earlier today criticised some of us for not praising Buck Allen and his unique ability to be completely average.

I just woke and read a review of the game - this is the QB play every team get, when the offensive line has a bad day - especially if it comes from a 4 man rush.

Not the result I hoped for, but still a lot of opportunities to come back this season. We are a 7-9 / 9-7 team. Just gotta find 7 more wins against the weakest opponents and then pull an upset against one of the other playoff teams.

RE: Buck Allen. The guy was making plays. He scored a pivotal TD, and did well in other aspects. The part I don't even understand is why they were using him as the RB1 for most of the game when Collins was doing much more. I've said from the beginning Buck is a good change of pace guy and does waht he's asked - and that's what he did tonight - but we were scheming plays for him on 4th down. WHY?! He's not that guy. Everyone knows it. But we kept doing it. It makes no sense.

26 minutes ago, DreamKid said:

Pass Rush

- Play Tim Williams. He is a proven F$%KING PASS RUSH SPECIALIST. Why are we once again seeing him not be played when the Pass Rush is stalling. WHY?!!

- Play Tyus Bowser. Bowser is the best athlete we have at LB. Even if he is blocked initially, he will get there. His change of direction, and speed, is too much for Tackles. If he doesn't beat them right away, they can only hold him off for so long. I can't watch Suggs, Judon, and Smith just pattycake Tackles anymore. Get guys in there who can move and explode.

- Activate Zach Sieler. Sieler is so adept at getting into the backfield for a DI, and he's plus against the run too. He's more valuable to us than Janarion Grant. It's time for him to play, and if he outperforms a veteran.....so what?

OL

- Hurst sucks at Right Tackle, wow...who saw that coming. Hey maybe we should start that Right Tackle we drafted in the 3rd round. You know, the one who showed all that promise.

LB

- Hey look, Kenny Young is significantly better than Peanut. Maybe he should be a starter? Just like everyone thought half way into the preseason. Maybe we shouldn't just start outperformed veterans for no reason.

 

Offense

- Taking our best play maker off the field frequently is an interesting strategy. Maybe having Alex Collins on the sideline so often really makes the defense think?

Absolutely agreed about Bowser and Williams. If nothing else, it gives us two elite speed rushers on the edge to at least force the QB to step up into the beef. I'm also sick of watching Suggs and Judon just hand fight all day long and not put any pressure on the pocket because they're afraid to lose contain or something.

I would activate Sieler over Turner, tbh. Besides, Pat Ricard was our best DL today along with Brent Urban. WHY WAS CHRIS WORMLEY PLAYING ON ALMOST EVERY DOWN?!

Agreed with Zeus, but we can't play him because he's a rookie and we need the experienced guy there! /s

Agreed about Kenny Young as well, but see above. Can't play rookies. Rookies bad. Veterans good! Harbaugh logic!

I bet Teryl Austin was over there scratching his head wondering why Collins was on the bench the entire 2nd half basically. It made no sense.

19 minutes ago, DreamKid said:

Nope. Don't care. Great Defenses can't collapse like that.

 

Wow, you mean players continue to have excuses when you lose ONE GUY and the entire thing collapses? Again, that starts from the top down. I was wrong to blame Pees, because it appears to be a Harbaugh thing. Mosley wasn't covering AJ Green. Mosley wasn't getting beat repeatedly in the slot by Tyler Boyd. Mosley wasn't doing jack squat at rushing the passer. Losing Mosley didn't do anything for this team, tbh, because Kenny Young played just as good as Mosley ever had. To blame anything on losing Mosley is 10000% a cop out.

[DreamKid]

Keeping things in perspective, it's good this loss happened now. The Bengals were a good team, at home, on a short week. We battled back better than we have in years, which is a good sign, and we still get the brutally honest self evaluation that comes with a defeat. Win or Learn.

We are still being beat with Tempo, Middle of The Field Attacks, and Mismatches. Teams aren't stupid. They know the talent we have on defense. Wink is getting out schemed. 

Lol. Green got a short TD off a misplay from Marlon, but other than that Marlon was Ace all night. The Bengals didn't want him on Green. So what did they do? Hello Green in the slot, enjoy your mismatch against Tavon Young.

The Bengals defense is so much better this year. Their corners are staying in phase better, and their front 7 is playing hard. They deflected a lot of balls tonight. Jessie Bates looks good, and so did the other safety. WJIII will be fun to play against for years too. They're the team to beat in the division this year. 

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

2 minutes ago, DreamKid said:

Keeping things in perspective, it's good this loss happened now. The Bengals were a good team, at home, on a short week. We battled back better than we have in years, which is a good sign, and we still get the brutally honest self evaluation that comes with a defeat. Win or Learn.

We are still being beat with Tempo, Middle of The Field Attacks, and Mismatches. Teams aren't stupid. They know the talent we have on defense. Wink is getting out schemed. 

Lol. Green got a short TD off a misplay from Marlon, but other than that Marlon was Ace all night. The Bengals didn't want him on Green. So what did they do? Hello Green in the slot, enjoy your mismatch against Tavon Young.

The Bengals defense is so much better this year. Their corners are staying in phase better, and their front 7 is playing hard. They deflected a lot of balls tonight. Jessie Bates looks good, and so did the other safety. WJIII will be fun to play against for years too. They're the team to beat in the division this year. 

What could've been had we just promoted Teryl Austin.

[DreamKid]

5 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

What could've been had we just promoted Teryl Austin.

You know Eric DeCosta is keeping in touch with his ol' buddy David Shaw lol. Harbaugh and Crew better shape up or it's curtains. 

[drd23]

I know that this game was frustrating but I don't think it was anything out of the ordinary.  This team was always a 8-8/9-7 team with the potential to win 10 games and maybe one or two in the play-offs if everything went right, and I don't think that has changed after today's game

And as for clock management, I don't recall Harbaugh ever being particularly good at it, which makes sense considering he learned from Andy Reid

[RavensDefense3]

looking at it objectively. i think CJ getting hurt probably did effect the defense a lot. the first drive he was there we got a three and out, as soon as onwasor was in charge it was all downhill in the first half. so we gave the commands to weddle and the whole 2nd half we only allowed 3 points. what i wana know is who thought it was a good idea to give onwasor the helmet. it seems like it was one of those unlucky days for the defense, and the offense was playing catch up the whole game, they almost did too but the score gap was too much to overcome. i still believe we can be a 11-5 team.

[berlin calling]

not to beat a dead horse but how an OC and a vet QB keep chugging to the middle of the field when in dire need of points and short of time is mind baffling. like, do they not train and scheme for such at all? no scripted plays to the sideline or anything? i mean i am used to it with the Ravens still it is absolutely stunning to watch a professional team fail so regularly at what should be basic offense concept.

[Danand]

32 minutes ago, berlin calling said:

not to beat a dead horse but how an OC and a vet QB keep chugging to the middle of the field when in dire need of points and short of time is mind baffling. like, do they not train and scheme for such at all? no scripted plays to the sideline or anything? i mean i am used to it with the Ravens still it is absolutely stunning to watch a professional team fail so regularly at what should be basic offense concept.

From all the years I played on defense, when we had those games where we should keep the play in front of us and protect the sidelines to keep the clock running, the worst thing that could happen and we didn’t bet on was that completion between the hash marks, that could flip the field.

 

That was exactly what the Bengals did to us on that play last year. I believe we had a game last year, where Flacco hit Wallace on a slant and he got a significant amount of yards that put us in field goal range, but we just couldn’t get the ball snapped – 2-3 more seconds would have been enough though. I can somewhat get behind that strategy at times, but I have to see the game first to say anything solid.From all I read, it seems like we lost the battle in the trenches and that showed. Combined with getting behind early, this game seemed like an uphill struggle after the first 17-18 minutes.

[berlin calling]

sure was but its been a while the Ravens came back from behind within the last few minutes. to me that aforementioned issue is a big reason for that.