GSUeagles14 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Will just sit this here Notice all of the players on the forefront of the Chiefs current record are all John Dorsey picks, as well as in CLE, this is the real truth. Like I said, he needs to be up there. that what, you won a game against the jets? congrats, i guess that you beat a low level team. Speaks volumes that you feel its some kind of vindication. And again, you were talking about cleveland, that was obvious so dont play dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) On 9/10/2018 at 8:04 PM, CP3MVP said: BB as General Manager has built 5 Super Bowl championship teams and 3 other AFC champions. He’s number one until he retires. Having guys who have never built title teams over him is laughable. I don't think Brandon Beane as built any Superbowl teams... Heck he has barely been the Bills GM a year..... But it's nice you think he will do so great in Buffalo ;P Edited September 25, 2018 by marshawn lynch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 9/12/2018 at 9:41 AM, MSURacerDT55 said: By mid season, John Dorsey will get consideration Time to revisit this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Belichick the GM is underrated. Yes, he's had some draft stinkers, but he's had his fair share of draft hits as well. He is a master at cap management and exploiting the compensatory system. He routinely unloads guys at the perfect time. He thinks outside the box too. General consensus is hoard draft picks like gold, but he will trade them away in crappy draft years where there just isn't any talent. Edited March 13, 2019 by Elky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 9/24/2018 at 10:48 AM, GSUeagles14 said: that what, you won a game against the jets? congrats, i guess that you beat a low level team. Speaks volumes that you feel its some kind of vindication. And again, you were talking about cleveland, that was obvious so dont play dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nextsuperstar1 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 9/17/2018 at 7:25 PM, Bolts223 said: You literally named every single talented player to ever play on a Patriots team in 16 seasons. It's not like these players were all on the same team at once, in the case of Revis he was only on the team for 1 season. Players like Moss and Dillon were only on the team for a few years, and you could argue that it was mainly the culture established by Belichick the coach that helped them turn their careers around once again. (Both were considered locker room cancers and weren't producing well at the time the Patriots traded for them) The Patriots dynasty is not like a lot of other dynasties that is reliant on having a ton of talent. Outside of Brady/Belichick, the only long-term Patriots that are sure-fire hall of famers are Gronk and Vinatieri. Ty Law might get in. The point here is that Belichick the coach doesn't need a loaded roster to make a SB contender out of it, he needs a roster full of players that have a wide variety of skill sets that he can find a use for. Most coaches do not have the capability to do this, and if you had Belichick assemble together a roster for a coach who isn't Belichick it wouldn't work even close to as well. You don’t need teams loaded with pro bowlers to win championships. You need depth of good players to win. New England regularly does send four or five guys to the pro bowl, but In this century, successful nfl teams aren’t built by collecting talent. They are built by having lots of good players, not a few great players taking up 15% of the cap. Belichick drafted Chandler Jones and Trey Flowers. But did not keep them long term because to pay those players, but interfere with his ability to build a successful team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, nextsuperstar1 said: You don’t need teams loaded with pro bowlers to win championships. You need depth of good players to win. New England regularly does send four or five guys to the pro bowl, but In this century, successful nfl teams aren’t built by collecting talent. They are built by having lots of good players, not a few great players taking up 15% of the cap. Belichick drafted Chandler Jones and Trey Flowers. But did not keep them long term because to pay those players, but interfere with his ability to build a successful team. good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 No love for Talesco? He has built arguably the most talented and deepest roster and primarily through the draft and hired Lynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I don't understand how in the world we go from a roster of that was 0-16 with guys who started like: Deshone Kizer Ricardo Louis Isaiah Crowell Shonn Coleman Randall Telfer Spencer Drango Carl Nassib Trevon Coley Jamar Taylor James Burgess To a roster of guys like: Baker Mayfield Kareem Hunt Odell Beckham Jr Nick Chubb Jarvis Landry Antonio Callaway Denzel Ward Damarious Randall Oliver Vernon Sheldon Richardson Genard Avery And not to mention resurrect the careers of notable busts Greg Robinson and Breshad Perriman, and (Cam Erving while he was still in KC) and not to mention the roster he put together in KC. And not be considered a top 5 GM, like he singlehandedly took an 0-16 Browns team and made them into a contender in a the span of a year and 3 months, this is literally God-like work.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Dorsey is good, but the best GM in the NFL is Bill. He lets free agents go that he doesn't like (who then tend to not be up to expectations elsewhere) and gets compensatory picks from it, and he fills his roster with solid-to-good players who do what he needs them to do. And it's a fact that no one team really "wins" the draft compared to the other 31 because of its unpredictable nature, but the one thing about the draft you really can analyze, he does better than anyone, and that's making trades to accumulate more chances, and more value. Belichick knows value - the value of players, of draft picks, and of money in the NFL - better than anyone else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: I don't understand how in the world we go from a roster of that was 0-16 with guys who started like: Deshone Kizer Ricardo Louis Isaiah Crowell Shonn Coleman Randall Telfer Spencer Drango Carl Nassib Trevon Coley Jamar Taylor James Burgess To a roster of guys like: Baker Mayfield Kareem Hunt Odell Beckham Jr Nick Chubb Jarvis Landry Antonio Callaway Denzel Ward Damarious Randall Oliver Vernon Sheldon Richardson Genard Avery And not to mention resurrect the careers of notable busts Greg Robinson and Breshad Perriman, and (Cam Erving while he was still in KC) and not to mention the roster he put together in KC. And not be considered a top 5 GM, like he singlehandedly took an 0-16 Browns team and made them into a contender in a the span of a year and 3 months, this is literally God-like work.... Sashi Brown died so you could have all that draft capital to play with. Also, "resurrect" is a strong word to use for a guy who had 13 catches last year. Edited March 14, 2019 by AFlaccoSeagulls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 BB FTW Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 11 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Sashi Brown died so you could have all that draft capital to play with. Also, "resurrect" is a strong word to use for a guy who had 13 catches last year. Sashi died for this man. Sam Hinkie of the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I was with you until you listed Elway...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 3:58 PM, AlNFL19 said: Dorsey is good, but the best GM in the NFL is Bill. He lets free agents go that he doesn't like (who then tend to not be up to expectations elsewhere) and gets compensatory picks from it, and he fills his roster with solid-to-good players who do what he needs them to do. And it's a fact that no one team really "wins" the draft compared to the other 31 because of its unpredictable nature, but the one thing about the draft you really can analyze, he does better than anyone, and that's making trades to accumulate more chances, and more value. Belichick knows value - the value of players, of draft picks, and of money in the NFL - better than anyone else does. The players Belichick lets go fail elsewhere because they were never good to begin with. His schemes make everyone into a success. Every once in a blue moon, when he starts to struggle to overcome the terrible roster he put in place, he'll go after an actually talented player. Belichick might know what actually talented players look like, but as GM, he usually deliberately chooses to pick journeyman-caliber bums and strut his genius against everyone else. Belichick is a gamer playing Madden on easy mode; he's constantly trying to see what he can get away with and still win. He obviously doesn't want to play around at QB, though. That's one thing he doesn't think he can overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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