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BDL 2018 Week 2

Match:  Oklahoma City EF5s @ Louisiana Jazz

Away Owner:  @Whicker

Home Owner:  @WFLukic

 

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Oklahoma City EF5s

Offense

QB: Cam Newton
RB: Joe Mixon
WR: Kenny Stills
WR: Robert Woods
slot: Adam Thielen
WR/TE: Mark Andrews
LT: David Bakhtiari
LG: Zach Fulton
C: Billy Price
RG: Jesse Davis
RT: Morgan Moses (Q)

RB: Alex Collins
WR: Taywan Taylor
WR: Laquon Treadwell
WR: Michael Gallup
WR: Anthony Miller
WR: D.J. Moore
OL: Jeremy Parnell
OL: Mason Cole

Defense

LOLB: Von Miller
DE: Cameron Heyward (Q)
NT: Eddie Goldman
DE: Stephon Tuitt
ROLB: Ryan Kerrigan
ILB: Eric Kendricks
ILB: Darron Lee
CB: Patrick Peterson
CB: Morris Claiborne
FS: Malik Hooker
SS: Adrian Amos

OLB: Nick Perry
OLB: Matt Judon
DL: Carl Davis
DL: Montravius Adams
ILB: Cory Littleton
CB: Trevor Williams
CB: Shaq Griffin (Q)
S: Andrew Sendejo

 

Louisiana Jazz Lineup

Offense:

QB: Tom Brady
RB: Ezekiel Elliott
WR1: Michael Thomas
WR2: Sammy Watkins
Slot WR: Tyler Lockett
TE: Zach Ertz
LT: Russell Okung
LG: Joel Bitonio
C: Ryan Jensen
RG: Brandon Fusco
RT: Riley Reiff

RB2: Alfred Morris
RB3: James White
WR4: Ryan Grant
WR5: Zay Jones
TE2: Virgil Green
OL6: Jared Veldheer
OL7: Connor McGovern
OL8: Dan Kilgore


Defense:

RDE: Jabaal Sheard
DT: Jurrell Casey
DT: Sheldon Richardson
LDE: Chris Jones
LB: Anthony Barr
LB: Danny Trevathan
RCB: Stephon Gilmore
Slot CB: Chris Harris Jr.
SS: Micah Hyde
FS: Sean Davis
LCB: Kyle Fuller

DL5: Jason Pierre-Paul
DL6: Vinny Curry
DL7: Dee Ford
DL8: Andrew Billings
LB3: Mason Foster
CB4: Justin Coleman
CB5: Eli Apple
S3: Patrick Chung

 

 

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Oklahoma City EF5's Game Plan

Submitted 9/16/2018 @ 6:41 am

@Whicker

This week we conclude our two game road trip with a visit to a BDL juggernaut in Louisiana. Louisiana will surely garner some free points from several who do not read and consider gameplans, so we will provide our best effort to win the votes of those that do. Louisiana may be looking at us as a cupcake team that is already looking forward to next year, and we hope to exploit what we believe will be a cookie-cutter gameplan from them. We have not given up on our season, and in fact we strongly believe that we will surprise a lot of people here. We still have the best defense in BDL, and our offensive weapons are emerging. And, of course, we still have the league's best coach.

Offense:

We will be utilizing the Smashmouth Spread offense this week. We will run the ball early and often, using multiple WR sets to unload the box and using power concepts at the point of attack. This will exploit a Louisiana defense that is mainly built to the defend the pass and provide us with the traditional run game benefits of controlling the clock and pace of the game. We will use motion and varying bunch formations to create additional double blocks, and we will eventually look to push the ball down the field via play action. We will use a very simple pre-snap read system that will allow our offense to check into favorable plays at the line.

On running downs we will come out in a spread formation in either the shotgun or pistol, and we will provide four plays for Cam Newton: a running play, a read-option, a play-action pass, and a quick pass. His pre-snap read and call will be based around a simple count of men in the box.

Against a five man box, we will use a basic power running play. Although we will attack up the middle some, we will mainly look to attack the edge defenders as Louisiana has employed a lot of pass rushing specialists there. Because there are only five men in the box, we will have a man-on-man situation with our offensive line. Billy Price and the play side guard will double team the interior defender, create the running lane, and then the guard will disengage to the linebacker at the second level.

If there's a six man box, the play will be a read-option to take away the backside end. Newton will read the backside defensive end and either keep or give depending on where the end goes. If he commits to Newton, then we have a similar five on five situation as the basic power running play. If he commits to Mixon, then Newton will have a field day running in open space.

Against a seven man box, we will check to one of our pass plays. With a seven man box against four receivers, Louisiana would have to either have left a WR uncovered or left themselves in a Cover-0. If the defense is in a Cover-0, we will check to the play-action pass which will be a deep shot down the field, likely to our new speedster Kenny Stills. If the defense left a WR uncovered, then we will check to the quick pass play to try and give that receiver a chance to make a play in space or on the run. These pass plays will be curl/flat or slant/drag variations.

On passing downs we will keep the field spread and give the green light to Newton to improvise with his mobility. Kenny Stills and Robert Woods will play outside with Adam Thielen playing almost exclusively out of the slot. Mark Andrews will receive the most snaps at the fourth WR position, but we will also rotate Taywan Taylor and Laquon Treadwell into the spot. We will try to get Taylor into open space where he can do damage with his quickness, and Treadwell will be subbed in for his blocking on screens and other short passes.

We will have minimum protection in this game, preferring to use our running back as a pass receiver. With Mixon a receiving threat out of the backfield, it will be more difficult for Louisiana to assign a QB spy on Newton. We trust our tackles to hold up on the edges, and because we are operating almost entirely out of the shotgun or pistol, we also do not fear a quick interior rush. If the interior rush does become a problem, we will adjust by calling more rollouts and bootlegs to get Newton on the move early in the play.

Joe Mixon will be our feature back in this game, seeing work on all downs. Alex Collins will spell him as necessary.

Defense:

Louisiana is typically a very tough opponent on this side of the ball, but this week they are a bit wounded without Doug Baldwin. They also find themselves weaker along the offensive line than in years past, and that should tip this matchup to our side. This week we believe we can win straight up against this offense, so we will employ our usual man-heavy scheme out of a base 3-4. We will pull an additional defender into the box to defend against Ezekiel Elliot, and our tight coverage and favorable matchups along the line of scrimmage should be enough to defeat Tom Brady.

Patrick Peterson will continue to be used as our shadow corner. This week he gets Michael Thomas. Morris Claiborne will take Sammy Watkins and receive help over the top from Malik Hooker. Adrian Amos will come into the box to provide run support and cover Zach Ertz, Eric Kendricks will take Ezekiel Elliott, and Darron Lee will take Virgil Green or the second back. In our base defense, we will rush our front five on most plays.

If Louisiana goes with a 3WR look, then Eddie Goldman will come off the field for Trevor Williams who will cover the third receiver. In this case, Amos and Kendricks will still take Ertz and Elliott respectively. Darron Lee then, will be free to play a middle zone or provide additional help against Elliott or Ertz.

Against a 4WR look, we will take Darron Lee off the field for Shaq Griffin who will take the 4th WR. Kendricks will still be responsible for Elliott, but Amos will play as the free-range robber. If Griffin is unable to go, then Amos will be the fourth CB and Sendejo will be the robber.

We cannot understate the advantage that we have up front on this side of the ball. With Frederick out, we believe that each of our guys is better than the guy in front of him. In our base defense, we have a favorable one-on-one across the board, and Louisiana can only provide help in so many places.

 

Louisiana Jazz Game Plan

Submitted 9/16/2018 @ 8:41 am

@WFLukic

Offense:
The Key on offense this week is to keep it balanced. Against a ferocious pass-rush like OKC’s, we know that the run game is going to be important, as well as the short passing game. While Zeke is starting, he’ll rotate more heavily with James White this week as we look to sprinkle in a lot of screens and swing passes for the backs as we want to limit the damage Miller will be able to do, as well as getting that DL tired for later on in the match.

Virgil Green figures to play extra snaps this week, both as a blocker and also as a receiver as again, we want to emphasise getting the ball out of Brady’s hands quick and getting the defense turning and chasing.

As usual, Ertz and Thomas will see plenty of passes their way, while Lockett and Watkins operate as deep threats and Ryan Grant comes in to the slot as Brady’s safety valve. Ultimately as consistent with the short-passing game featuring the backs, the idea is to work that middle of the field which will open up from having Lockett & Watkins stretching the field and ensuring that low risk, high percentage passes are completed which let us move the chains and get the OKC DL tired before we can run it down their throats in the 4th quarter.
 
Defense:
Only a few changes to a defense that had a very strong start to the year, the main one being the introduction of Sheldon Richardson who was dominant last week.

This week we feel OKC’s offensive line ripe to be exploited. With Billy Price struggling and now injured and TJ Lang being moved, the interior will lack both continuity and competency when it comes to stopping a heavy rotation of talented players against both the pass and run. Richardson, Jones and Casey figure to rotate all day, with Billings getting snaps on earlier downs while Curry, Ford, JPP and Sheard do likewise on the edges, occasionally with some of the edge guys kicking in on passing downs and the interior players lining up on the edge on early downs.

We respect the threat of Cam’s legs greatly, which is why Barr and Trevathan will rotate duties as a QB spy should Cam begin to have some success with his legs.

At safety we have another change as after an impressive performance last week, Sean Davis will take up a spot as the deeper safety, more so than anything else to guard against being beaten deep against a WR and TE group that offers a few decent players, but nothing too concerning.

Cook will be covered by a mix of Trevathan, Chung and Hyde, while the WR matchups will be Chris Harris on Thielen, Fuller on Stills and Gilmore on Woods. We feel comfortable with each of these matchups and while we respect Thielen’s ability as one of the premier WRs in the game, having the best slot corner in the game should limit him greatly and take away Cam’s most reliable target. Most importantly, without any obvious mismatch or outlet to pass to, we are certain our deep pass-rush which will be fresh on practically every play will be able to take it’s opportunities against a weakened OL and force Cam to be skittish in the pocket and prone to turnover worthy throws, against a back 7 that will maintain tight coverage with eyes for the ball.

 

 

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I still have a hard time backing that OKC offense. I'll assume Louisiana will throw between 5 to 6 men in the box, depending on whoever guards Andrews.

5men in the box, I see where this could work at first, though I believe Louisiana could win its individual matchups. Moses didn't look 100%, Price hasn't looked great so far, Fulton isn't very good and I have to admit I PFFed Jesse Davis to know who he was (Miami OL has been surprisingly good so far so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt). I could see Mixon running Bakhtiari and Fulton getting to the second level getting OKC some success, not sure it's sustainable over a long period.

6men in the box would get also a bit too predictable. Once the LB adjusts to Newton, and Lukic made it clear Barr/Trevathan would spy him fairly early, we're back to the same 5men in the box situation.

Save from obvious running / passing downs, that's the only 2 plays I see from OKC gameplan, which could give easy adjustments to Louisiana. Now, Lukic half-a**ed this gamplan, maybe overlooking OKC. So who knows if this might work.

On the other side, OKC defense is fierce, and Louisiana OL isn't in top shape right now. Loss of Baldwin costs them and I could see Miller/Kerrigan getting their way vs Lousiana tackles. I'm afraid OKC interior DL might be a bit too light against a run-first team. 

I'll come back to this.

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2 hours ago, TedLavie said:

I still have a hard time backing that OKC offense. I'll assume Louisiana will throw between 5 to 6 men in the box, depending on whoever guards Andrews.

5men in the box, I see where this could work at first, though I believe Louisiana could win its individual matchups. Moses didn't look 100%, Price hasn't looked great so far, Fulton isn't very good and I have to admit I PFFed Jesse Davis to know who he was (Miami OL has been surprisingly good so far so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt). I could see Mixon running Bakhtiari and Fulton getting to the second level getting OKC some success, not sure it's sustainable over a long period.

6men in the box would get also a bit too predictable. Once the LB adjusts to Newton, and Lukic made it clear Barr/Trevathan would spy him fairly early, we're back to the same 5men in the box situation.

Save from obvious running / passing downs, that's the only 2 plays I see from OKC gameplan, which could give easy adjustments to Louisiana. Now, Lukic half-a**ed this gamplan, maybe overlooking OKC. So who knows if this might work.

On the other side, OKC defense is fierce, and Louisiana OL isn't in top shape right now. Loss of Baldwin costs them and I could see Miller/Kerrigan getting their way vs Lousiana tackles. I'm afraid OKC interior DL might be a bit too light against a run-first team. 

I'll come back to this.

Do QB spies magically go unblocked? Either they pull in an extra guy to spy or they don't and we have... A 5 on 5. 

I said we'll run in the middle and use varying formations and motions. How specific do I have to get? 

This exact offense is the bedrock to some of the most explosive college offenses. It's not something you just adjust to like that. 

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My offense is conceptually sound. I know this because it's not mine. It's used in college everywhere and has a name: The Smashmouth Spread. You can Google it. It's limitations in the NFL center around the fact that it relies on read-option which many NFL QBs obviously cannot do. This is not the case here and I'm not worried about the hits Newton will take. 

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6 hours ago, Whicker said:

Do QB spies magically go unblocked? Either they pull in an extra guy to spy or they don't and we have... A 5 on 5. 

I said we'll run in the middle and use varying formations and motions. How specific do I have to get? 

This exact offense is the bedrock to some of the most explosive college offenses. It's not something you just adjust to like that. 

That's exactly what I said

My issue with your gameplan is that you say "we will use varying formations and motions". Then you say 7men in the box leaves someone unattended or cover 0. Which means you always go 4 wide. So my guess is the formations you use are always on the basis of 4 wide.

Yeah college offenses have worked so well in the NFL

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3 minutes ago, TedLavie said:

That's exactly what I said

My issue with your gameplan is that you say "we will use varying formations and motions". Then you say 7men in the box leaves someone unattended or cover 0. Which means you always go 4 wide. So my guess is the formations you use are always on the basis of 4 wide.

Yeah college offenses have worked so well in the NFL

I don't understand what your issue is then. If there's a spy on Newton, and he gets blocked, he can't tackle him. The backside end is the extra defender in the six man box. If he commits to the back and Newton runs... I don't see how this is conceptually broken. It's proven to not be conceptually broken.

Varying bunch formations. Yes, they are on the basis of four wide. How does that equal two plays? Like unless somehow "run a running play" is only one play.

With no preparation or expectation against them, yes they have. The wildcat blew out the Patriots and let a horrendous Dolphins team into the playoffs. Chip Kelly had two 10-6 seasons before he became overmatched. I would bet this offense has never been seen before in BDL. It takes more than a half to adjust to something and even if it were possible, why is Louisiana the only one allowed to adjust here?

This offense wouldn't work in the NFL because it centers around the read-option. It absolutely depends on the read-option. Most NFL QBs cannot execute a read-option play. Even the ones that do are likely going to be protected from hits long term by their franchises. Neither of these restrictions apply in BDL. Just saying "it's a college offense it won't work" is very ignorant. You can either explain why it conceptually won't work in the NFL or accept that the limitations that I laid out are the actual reasons it's not prevalent.

This offense is conceptually brilliant. That's not me bragging about me coming up with something because I didn't. This offense is becoming more and more prevalent in college because it absolutely works and it absolutely allows for a great, athletic QB to turn a lesser talented offense into something great.

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/11/10/16633692/the-smashmouth-spread-comes-for-the-sec-auburn-georgia

This offense is being used by some of the top teams in the SEC. Just last year Georgia used it on their way to a National Championship appearance. This isn't some gimmicky small-school thing. Big schools are using it to beat NFL athletes.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2018/3/25/17159424/maybe-smashmouth-spread-should-be-the-new-word-for-a-dak-friendly-offense

This article was written just this year as a way for the Cowboys to take advantage of their good back, mobile QB, and lack of quality receiving threats. I'm not crazy for thinking this could work in the NFL, especially for just one game against an unprepared opponent.

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Whicker said:

I don't understand what your issue is then. If there's a spy on Newton, and he gets blocked, he can't tackle him. The backside end is the extra defender in the six man box. If he commits to the back and Newton runs... I don't see how this is conceptually broken. It's proven to not be conceptually broken.

Varying bunch formations. Yes, they are on the basis of four wide. How does that equal two plays? Like unless somehow "run a running play" is only one play.

With no preparation or expectation against them, yes they have. The wildcat blew out the Patriots and let a horrendous Dolphins team into the playoffs. Chip Kelly had two 10-6 seasons before he became overmatched. I would bet this offense has never been seen before in BDL. It takes more than a half to adjust to something and even if it were possible, why is Louisiana the only one allowed to adjust here?

This offense wouldn't work in the NFL because it centers around the read-option. It absolutely depends on the read-option. Most NFL QBs cannot execute a read-option play. Even the ones that do are likely going to be protected from hits long term by their franchises. Neither of these restrictions apply in BDL. Just saying "it's a college offense it won't work" is very ignorant. You can either explain why it conceptually won't work in the NFL or accept that the limitations that I laid out are the actual reasons it's not prevalent.

This offense is conceptually brilliant. That's not me bragging about me coming up with something because I didn't. This offense is becoming more and more prevalent in college because it absolutely works and it absolutely allows for a great, athletic QB to turn a lesser talented offense into something great.

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/11/10/16633692/the-smashmouth-spread-comes-for-the-sec-auburn-georgia

This offense is being used by some of the top teams in the SEC. Just last year Georgia used it on their way to a National Championship appearance. This isn't some gimmicky small-school thing. Big schools are using it to beat NFL athletes.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2018/3/25/17159424/maybe-smashmouth-spread-should-be-the-new-word-for-a-dak-friendly-offense

This article was written just this year as a way for the Cowboys to take advantage of their good back, mobile QB, and lack of quality receiving threats. I'm not crazy for thinking this could work in the NFL, especially for just one game against an unprepared opponent.

 

 

 

I'm sorry your emotion get in the way of your reading comprehension but not once I said it was conceptually broken. I did say it could become predictable because you'd run against 6men in the box and fewer and pass against 7men and more. The Pats were rightfully criticized in that Fins game for not selling out against the run once Brown lined up in the wildcat, therefore not adjusting.

Also the two example you're using are not "lesser talented" offenses. They both had stud OL and RB. I wouldn't qualify Mixon as a stud and you have the worst OL in BDL this week with Moses hurt.

I guess my point is that yeah your offense could bring an element of surprise at first. But once Lousiana defense gets it, it relies more on the ability of your OL to execute. And save for Bakhtiari, I don't know if they can.

I will give you one point though. When you prepare for OKC you prepare for the read option. You have run it before, not to that extent, but still. And Louisiana did look unprepared.

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How am I meant to show I'm prepared for the read option?

I've got a QB spy. It's a team with one of the greatest ever runners at the QB position - it goes without saying that we're ready for him to run. The emphasis on rotating our DL is in anticipation of OKC trying to wear us down as well.

Newton historically has had his greatest success with a strong interior OL that lets him step up in the pocket. That interior won't hold up against Casey, Richardson and Jones, with the potential of Sheard, Curry and JPP kicking inside too.

Thielen, the only major threat in the OKC skill group, might be the best slot receiver in the game and I've got the best slot corner in the game to cover him. 

I think it's a bit tough to say I've half assed it, Cook aside. Sure my write-up isn't long, but I'm not going to dribble on about pff scores and how great my guys are. They've got assignments, they come on at certain times and have certain roles. It's a matter of whether you think they can execute that or not. 

 

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40 minutes ago, TedLavie said:

I'm sorry your emotion get in the way of your reading comprehension but not once I said it was conceptually broken. I did say it could become predictable because you'd run against 6men in the box and fewer and pass against 7men and more. The Pats were rightfully criticized in that Fins game for not selling out against the run once Brown lined up in the wildcat, therefore not adjusting.

Also the two example you're using are not "lesser talented" offenses. They both had stud OL and RB. I wouldn't qualify Mixon as a stud and you have the worst OL in BDL this week with Moses hurt.

I guess my point is that yeah your offense could bring an element of surprise at first. But once Lousiana defense gets it, it relies more on the ability of your OL to execute. And save for Bakhtiari, I don't know if they can.

I will give you one point though. When you prepare for OKC you prepare for the read option. You have run it before, not to that extent, but still. And Louisiana did look unprepared.

I guess this a situation where language barrier (?) is keeping us from understanding each other. If something were so predictable that you can just adjust to it over the course of a game, that makes it conceptually broken. Running plays go in different directions. They can attack inside or outside. They can be tosses or handoffs. Even so, the predictability is secondary. If I say "my five guys are going to block your five guys and we're going to run it." How do you adjust to that? You can say "oh we'll bring in another body" in which case we'll pass it. I am legitimately asking: what other adjustment do you make here? In your example you said the Pats should have "sold out" to stop the run. If you "sell out" to stop the run, we pass it. If this offense were so predictable, then how did it come within three points of winning the National Championship? Do college coaches not know about QB spies?

Let's say Louisiana adjusts it by making their safeties start deep and sell out to the run by automatically running forward at the snap. Why is Louisiana allowed to make that adjustment, but I'm not allowed to make the adjustment to say "okay maybe we'll throw a play-action here." I shouldn't have to specify that I'd make that adjustment, especially when Louisiana didn't put anything in their writeup about this

The article said that the offense started with Baylor and Oregon, lesser talented programs that have been able to rise to the top in part because of this offense. It claimed that top programs have started using it because it's so conceptually sound that it becomes even better with better players.

 

If your argument is simply: your offensive line isn't good enough, then I'm not going to argue. Maybe it's not good enough. But to say that this offense won't work because it's predictable is, with the utmost respect, totally ignorant.

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