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What If? The Vikings ran a 3-4 defense


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What would the defense look like?

DE: Tom Johnson

NT: Linval Joseph

DE: ??? (Brian Robison?)

OLB: Anthony Barr

ILB: Eric Kendrick

ILB: Ben Gedeon

OLB: Everson Griffen

CB: Xavier Rhodes

S: Harrison Smith

S: Andrew Sendejo

CB: Trae Waynes

 

That seems like it could still be a solid defense to put out there. Where would Danielle Hunter play on that defense? Could he play as an OLB in a 3-4 defense or DE or is he just a fit for a 4-3?

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I don't think we'd be very good. 

But, for the purpose of the exercise;

LDE: Datone Jones

NT: Linval Joseph

RDE: Everson Griffen

LOLB: Anthony Barr

LILB: Ben Gedeon

RILB: Eric Kendricks

ROLB: Danielle Hunter

CB: Xavier Rhodes

CB: Trae Waynes

FS: Harrison Smith

SS: Jayron Kearse

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Barr would probably be better at MLB. I'm not sure if he has the technique to be an effective edge rusher but he certainly looks the part.

LE Shamar Stephen 

NT Linval Joseph

RE Datone Jones

need to find a true 3-4 DE, neither Jones or Stephen are ideal fits. Floyd would be an ideal fit if he ever plays again.

OLB Danielle Hunter

ILB Anthony Barr

ILB Eric Kendricks

OLB Everson Griffen

LBs are set. Robison would also be in the mix, as he is now. Overall, the defense doesn't look as good on paper given the lack of a 3-4 DE on the active roster.

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I'm not a fan of 3-4 defenses at all.    Sure it can help disguise blitzes, but we haven't been having trouble with that in our 4-3.  In its base form it's almost like having 5 defensive linemen on the field and I'm not a fan of asking pass rushers to cover.  The past few years the Bills and Cardinals would just get decimated by tight ends.  I can't think of any scheme I'd rather be running more than Mike Zimmer's 4-3 that we currently use.

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Not that it is too closely related,  but this read reminds me of when we experimented with placing Kevin Williams at DE. That also wasn't a pretty sight. 

 

We actually have the three most important pieces to make an effective 3-4: a great nose tackle (Joseph), and if they get the technique down two good-great exterior rushers (Barr, Hunter). We'd be pretty lost in the front 7 after those three, though. The biggest loss would be that Griffen has no fit whatsoever. 

 

On another her side note, I'm very happy with our current defense - the scheme and the players. I couldn't be more satisfied with it, as long as some of our developmental players come along.

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1 hour ago, RedRider said:

On another her side note, I'm very happy with our current defense - the scheme and the players. I couldn't be more satisfied with it, as long as some of our developmental players come along.

Hitting on Kearse sure would be nice.

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I think we could run more of a penetrating 34 front than a two gap front with reasonable success.  A Wade Phillips style defense where the 2-4-5 nickel look isn't dissimilar to our 4-2-5.  The way DeMarcus Ware describes it, it's basically a five defensive lineman front with two linebackers.  The defensive ends are generally taller and range from 275 to 290 lbs

 

DE - Tom Johnson
NT - Linval Joseph - Jaleel Johnson
DE - Datone Jones

WOLB - Danielle Hunter
WILB - Eric Kendricks
SILB - Anthony Barr
SOLB - Everson Griffin

Depth wise, we would be pretty screwed, but we could put together a solid front seven.  The outside backers are allowed to be aggressive and set the edges to funnel everything back inside to Barr, Kendricks, and Joseph.  The defensive lineman don't read and react, they attack their gap and attempt to disrupt.

 

 

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I'd say your best bet with the current roster to maximize your playmaking would be this:

DE:  Tom Johnson/Datone Jones
NT:  Linval Joseph
DE:  Jaleel Johnson

OLB:  Danielle Hunter
ILB:  Anthony Barr (more of a Brian Cushing type)
ILB:  Eric Kendricks
OLB:  Everson Griffen (Brian Robison is your 3rd OLB......he would've been a monster 34 OLB)

secondary no change from now

Griffen and Hunter are ideal athletes for a 34 OLB, but I don't know how they'd do in space.  Some teams have those guys do nothing but rush the passer anyway, and even from a 3 point stance, so it's all good.  

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I think a 3-4 shift would look attrocious with our current personnel. The only guy who might benefit would be Barr, but it immediately takes two of our top defenders in Griffen and Hunter and places them in less than ideal conditions. Hunter may be able to play at OLB, but that has generally been unseen, so it couldn't be banked on. Griffen was pretty bad when he was tested at OLB, so you would have to keep him at DE, where he could still be successful even in a 3-4, though his skill set would probably be underused. 3-4 defenses are better suited for big lines with a strong linebacker corps, and 4-3's are much more suited for the strength to lie on the D-line along with adequate LB's (which we have). You only (usually) see the 4-3 to 3-4 swap or vice versa on a team rebuilding it's defense. This isn't to say that in certain scenarios that we couldn't have a 3-4 look, but I think in the end it would just be a disguise to get Barr in loved as a pass rusher.

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16 hours ago, Purplexing said:

IF the Vikings ran a 3-4, and assuming the above assemblies of current roster players, it's likely that one of the coaches who decided to do so would be sent home to sofa-surf for the rest of the year.

If they're smart, they quit mid-season like Norv Turner did.

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9 hours ago, NorthCountryEvo said:

I think a 3-4 shift would look attrocious with our current personnel. The only guy who might benefit would be Barr, but it immediately takes two of our top defenders in Griffen and Hunter and places them in less than ideal conditions. Hunter may be able to play at OLB, but that has generally been unseen, so it couldn't be banked on. Griffen was pretty bad when he was tested at OLB, so you would have to keep him at DE, where he could still be successful even in a 3-4, though his skill set would probably be underused. 3-4 defenses are better suited for big lines with a strong linebacker corps, and 4-3's are much more suited for the strength to lie on the D-line along with adequate LB's (which we have). You only (usually) see the 4-3 to 3-4 swap or vice versa on a team rebuilding it's defense. This isn't to say that in certain scenarios that we couldn't have a 3-4 look, but I think in the end it would just be a disguise to get Barr in loved as a pass rusher.

Griffen has never played as a true 3-4 OLB. He was tried as a gimmick stand-up rusher.  In a one gap 3-4, his role would be virtually identical to what it is now.  Rushing the passer and setting the edge.  He would only drop into coverage on zone blitzes, which he occasionally does now as an end anyway.

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