Hunter2_1 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BAConrad said: I have to imagine Belichick and McDaniels are in an office right now drinking whiskey and clanging glasses while laughing at how they just got away with the NFL equivalent of stealing millions of dollars from a bank and never being caught. I'd say they have the combination to the safe - just waiting to see if it works. TBC. But yeah the whole Cleveland culture thing is a fallacy, unfortunately. Browns have proven plenty of time, especially this off-season and pre-season, that they are all over the place. Freewheeling it and seeing if it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kparty15 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, buno67 said: There is no need to keep him. He ran his course and wasn’t wanted. Also reports are coming out that some teammates were getting fed up with him. With him missing camp and coming to some meetings late. He has elite ability and was elite on ‘13 but the games following that, I thknk it’s 10, he was only maybe elite in 2. The dude was also running lazy routes and not even running correct routes. How can the QB get you the ball if he can’t trust you or know where you will be on a passing pattern. Again I’m Theory that makes senses. But you make guy like Gordon do things like that, he prolly will become even more cancerous. Dorsey wants to change the culture of the team. Keeping Gordon around with the way he is acting with his track record isn’t worth it. gordon wasn’t worth keeping around anymore. Browns did everything for him and Gordon failed them. Time to just cut your loses. I mean it’s hard for a WR to put up elite stats when your team is starting trash QBs. Besides his huge year with Brian Hoyer, Gordon hasn’t had anyone noteworthy throwing him the ball. You can say he ran lazy or incorrect routes, but that’s only because of a lack of motivation. One of the greatest wide receivers of all time, Randy Moss, had the same issues when he played with a terrible Raiders team, but he was still elite with the Vikings and Patriots. Anyone who knows anything about football would still want Randy Moss on their team even though he smoked some weed and got lazy with routes occasionally. Josh Gordon is the same type of situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, Kparty15 said: I mean it’s hard for a WR to put up elite stats when your team is starting trash QBs. Besides his huge year with Brian Hoyer, Gordon hasn’t had anyone noteworthy throwing him the ball. You can say he ran lazy or incorrect routes, but that’s only because of a lack of motivation. One of the greatest wide receivers of all time, Randy Moss, had the same issues when he played with a terrible Raiders team, but he was still elite with the Vikings and Patriots. Anyone who knows anything about football would still want Randy Moss on their team even though he smoked some weed and got lazy with routes occasionally. Josh Gordon is the same type of situation. He didn’t have a monster year with Hoyer, it was win Weeden. Weeden wasn’t a great QB but when it came to things Gordon was good at Weeden excelled at it. Go look at ‘14 when he came back and the browns were actually in the playoff hunt and Hoyer was actually playing decent. Gordon comes in has a monster first game but after he wasn’t an impact at all. Hoyer and coaches even stated own gordon wasn’t running the right routes and was lazy in his routes. Hell I think he was called out by the media on it and he said he didn’t care. lack of motivation, I agree, football doesn’t motivate the guy. Money motivates him and to him football is just a vehicle to money he f’d that up because he could have gotten himself freaking paid. Moss gets away with it because he was a monster year after year after year and got sent to the raiders as punishment with how things ended in Minny. Gordon, outside of ‘13 hasn’t done anything except miss games and be unreliable. Also Moss might of been lazy but when his number was called he was running the right route and he was running it properly. Gordon not so much. Moss has his issues like Gordon but he never let it hurt the team like Gordon did year after year after year for the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Everyone saying that the Patriots are the ideal situation for Gordon, but Stephen A. Smith made an interesting point - He said that the Patriots were the worst team for Gordon to go to because of how strict and no tolerance they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 10 hours ago, showtime said: Everyone saying that the Patriots are the ideal situation for Gordon, but Stephen A. Smith made an interesting point - He said that the Patriots were the worst team for Gordon to go to because of how strict and no tolerance they are. Stopped reading after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 10 hours ago, showtime said: Everyone saying that the Patriots are the ideal situation for Gordon, but Stephen A. Smith made an interesting point - He said that the Patriots were the worst team for Gordon to go to because of how strict and no tolerance they are. That’s a stupid point for him to make. What he needs is strict and no tolerance. Aka structure. Stephen A. proving he’s an idiot once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Dear Other NFL Teams, STOP HELPING THE PATRIOTS Love, Everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Rider Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 12 hours ago, showtime said: Everyone saying that the Patriots are the ideal situation for Gordon, but Stephen A. Smith made an interesting point - He said that the Patriots were the worst team for Gordon to go to because of how strict and no tolerance they are. Not sure if the Pats are the right place but the Browns tried helping and nothing came of that. He needs a change for better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erurtaza Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 2 hours ago, dtait93 said: That’s a stupid point for him to make. What he needs is strict and no tolerance. Aka structure. Stephen A. proving he’s an idiot once again. He was also saying he needs to go to a team that will cuddle him lol wat noooooo Stephen a Smith that's the opposite. He needs to feel like if he messed up one more time he's done which is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 13 hours ago, showtime said: Everyone saying that the Patriots are the ideal situation for Gordon, but Stephen A. Smith made an interesting point - He said that the Patriots were the worst team for Gordon to go to because of how strict and no tolerance they are. He needs a place of structure. A team thats going to let him do whatever he wants because of his talent isn't going to help him in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incarcerated_Scarface Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: He needs a place of structure. A team thats going to let him do whatever he wants because of his talent isn't going to help him in the long run. He needs to just grow up and be smart. The league tests guys every April 20th and then if they pass they don't get tested the whole year. He's an idiot who made MJ more important to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, Incarcerated_Scarface said: The league tests guys every April 20th and then if they pass they don't get tested the whole year. Sort of. That's the first day of the testing window, but not everybody gets tested on THAT day. Testing runs all the way into August, so some guys have to stay clean all through summer until their name comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Incarcerated_Scarface said: He needs to just grow up and be smart. The league tests guys every April 20th and then if they pass they don't get tested the whole year. He's an idiot who made MJ more important to him. 9 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Sort of. That's the first day of the testing window, but not everybody gets tested on THAT day. Testing runs all the way into August, so some guys have to stay clean all through summer until their name comes up. And that's if you're in phase 0 of the program (not in the program, then it's just 1x a year random test between April 20 - August sometime). If you are a repeat offender who's had a year's suspension, you're in phase 2-3 - which means pretty much testing year-round, anytime, unless the NFL director clears you to be downgraded after some unclear timeframe (for instance, Von Miller is probably not in the program, cleared it a while ago). And let's face it, after the summer, there's no way he's been downgraded. That's why it's crucial for guys who get into Phase 1 to test clean for that 90 days, then go back to no longer being in the program - once you are in the clear, you basically just have to stay clean from April - day of test (which can be up until August)...then rest of year, you're in the clear. But only if you're not in the program. Huge diff there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Incarcerated_Scarface said: He needs to just grow up and be smart. The league tests guys every April 20th and then if they pass they don't get tested the whole year. He's an idiot who made MJ more important to him. Or the NFL could get with the times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 TBH, from what we've seen, Hue doesn't command any respect whatsoever. Players, as evidenced in Hard Knocks, feel empowered enough to blast into his office demanding answers. BB commands far more respect, and maybe he's the type that needs a firm hand. I say maybe because none of us actually know what he needs and how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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