Hunter2_1 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Broncofan said: Chubb's rookie season is a bit misleading - because about 6-7 of his sacks were after the 3+ sec mark. He basically got coverage / high effort no-quit sacks. While I have issues with PFF's rating system because it doesn't account for competition faced (it assumes everyone is equal), I can see why they didn't rate him that highly compared to the other standout rookies. He was supposed to be a stalwart against the run in setting the edge (and I think he'll be that guy), but he wasn't special there, just OK. I expect that to improve, given his college tape & skill profile. Now we also faced a cream puff OL schedule last year (which actually should have driven his rating down even further). Don't get me wrong, he was solid - but there's no way he should have been in the same tier in RoY voting as Leonard, James, or even LVE/Ward. Nothing at all against him, but he was clearly a Robin to Von's Batman. At the same time, I don't think anyone can say he was disappointing at all, either, even with the top 5 draft capital spent. It just wasn't a difference-maker (not that he was supposed to be that type of guy), like a franchise QB on a rookie-level deal can bring. This offseason, though, it's already apparent Chubb has some extra spice to his game - he's beat a couple of LT's (backups, yes) with double-moves with 2.5 sec timed arrivals at the QB for sacks. The extra move is what he's learned from Miller. THAT is reason to be intrigued. If he can be a solo pass rush threat on his own, then the ceiling becomes special-player level. As it is, worst-case I see him more as a high-floor, very-good but not great talent ceiling. The high-floor means barring injury, he won't bust out like Solomon Thomas (to be fair, miscast as a DE in that scheme). It's just whether or not he'll be a franchise-fortune changer (which is unfair, but when you are in perennial search mode for a QB...that's the impact). The best comp I can give to him is a post-surgery Clowney like talent with high-motor traits - he's going to excel so long as he has a Watt/Miller/Mack type talent, as the 1B guy. If he can develop the 2nd move and hand-fighting ability to overcome his not-quite-elite burst, then he could be more than a post-surgery Clowney-ceiling. There's nothing wrong with that at all - but TBH, I still kinda wish we went after QB (Gettleman refusing to even take a phone call from Elway to trade back so we could snag Darnold still haunts us). I say that fully endorsing Rosen as one of those picks (wanted Darnold first & foremost, but was OK with Rosen after that), which the jury's still out on, and who knows what happens behind an OL that's not historically worst-in-league-and-most-other-years. But at least Chubb is making the 1.5 pick look good in a vacuum (1.6 Nelson looks like the steal of the top 10, though - such a special talent). Thanks for this. Ah ok, so he sounds like he will develop as he should then and hasn't reached his ceiling or anything yet. Probably a noticeably better year this season would be my prediction. You're hinting, toward the bottom, that a pick that high might have been better served on more of a difference maker (QB, in this case) rather than a 1B guy? If so, I agree with that. With Von on one end, you maybe could have used a later round on a DE with upside as well? With Von, is he still...Von? Because of Denver's slight regression in recent seasons, I haven't seen many live Denver games. I know he's still an elite, blue-chip talent but is he the same guy who ruined our season in 2015, and the superbowl MVP etc? I like Von. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 None of the names on this list surprise me except, T.J. Hockenson. I could see them all busting. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850350-what-to-make-of-disappointing-nfl-rookie-preseasons#slide8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Chad Johnson has one of best twitter accounts right now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, August4th said: Chad Johnson has one of best twitter accounts right now lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.10.E Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, candyman93 said: None of the names on this list surprise me except, T.J. Hockenson. I could see them all busting. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2850350-what-to-make-of-disappointing-nfl-rookie-preseasons#slide8 I fail to see how Marquise Brown is "disappointing". This is literally what everyone expected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Danger said: Every jewelry he has is fake and that’s wild to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Danger said: I don't think I would have ever figured that. I assumed he spent more on his grille than I've spent on my house. I figured that's why he was playing everywhere, simply because he needed the paycheck. Good for Ocho, good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, M.10.E said: I fail to see how Marquise Brown is "disappointing". This is literally what everyone expected. And not to mention he's going to play tonight, and he's a much more talented WR than John Ross is. Simply comparing their frame without also acknowledging that Ross was basically a one-trick pony at UW is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 24 sacks for Roethlisberger this year...Over or under if he play the entire season as this is the case for him since 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SkippyX Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Steelersfan43 said: 24 sacks for Roethlisberger this year...Over or under if he play the entire season as this is the case for him since 2016? I have said it before. His winning a Super Bowl behind that 2008 line was just amazing. Him calling them out on the last drive and challenging them to not be what everyone says you are was 'Look, John Candy!' level awesome leadership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I do not miss the steelers O-line from that era every week someone from the line going down with a injury, Ben getting sacked 4+ times and several penalties caused by them. it was a mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, August4th said: I do not miss the steelers O-line from that era every week someone from the line going down with a injury, Ben getting sacked 4+ times and several penalties caused by them. it was a mess Starting O-line in Super Bowl 43 Max Starks LT Chris Kemoeatu LG Justin Hartwig C Darnell Stapleton RG Willie Colon RT Super Bowl 45 Jonathan Scott LT Chris Kemoeatu LG Doug Legursky C Ramon Foster RG Flozell Adams RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I can't believe this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Steelersfan43 said: I can't believe this.. no excuse for this after what happen last yr in Mexico and the NFL claiming to be all for "players safety" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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