minutemancl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 4:39 PM, footbull3196 said: Breaking: Giants bench Eli Manning for Odell Beckham. Team is no longer in market for pass catching quarterback to run annoying philly special plays with In all seriousness, a few formations with Odell as the QB in shotgun and Barkley next to him and running the read or run/pass option sounds pretty fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, minutemancl said: In all seriousness, a few formations with Odell as the QB in shotgun and Barkley next to him and running the read or run/pass option sounds pretty fun. idk if I'd want to expose OBJ to constant hits from 270+ lb defensive linemen. I mean, if I'm a DL I don't care if OBJ hands the ball off to Barkley, I'm getting a shot on him. It's what the Bengals did to RGIII his rookie season. Every chance they got, they tee'd off on RGIII even if he handed the ball off. If you want to run the read-option, be prepared to get hit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, TheVillain112 said: idk if I'd want to expose OBJ to constant hits from 270+ lb defensive linemen. I mean, if I'm a DL I don't care if OBJ hands the ball off to Barkley, I'm getting a shot on him. It's what the Bengals did to RGIII his rookie season. Every chance they got, they tee'd off on RGIII even if he handed the ball off. If you want to run the read-option, be prepared to get hit... It'd be for 1 or 2 plays a game. Don't think that really qualifies as exposing him to "constant" hits from DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, minutemancl said: In all seriousness, a few formations with Odell as the QB in shotgun and Barkley next to him and running the read or run/pass option sounds pretty fun. Agreed. I really liked that play they ran on Sunday against Carolina. About time they utilize saquons receiving capabilities on something other than dump offs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, footbull3196 said: Agreed. I really liked that play they ran on Sunday against Carolina. About time they utilize saquons receiving capabilities on something other than dump offs And about time they utilized Odell's many talents other than catching and running with the football. He can throw further with his non-dominant hand than most people can with their dominant one and he's our backup kicker as well. I would love to see him throw, run, and catch a touchdown AND kick a field goal in the same game. Obviously he is too good of a receiver to move him anywhere else for good, but it is fun getting him to do some different things to take advantage of what he offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, TheVillain112 said: idk if I'd want to expose OBJ to constant hits from 270+ lb defensive linemen. I mean, if I'm a DL I don't care if OBJ hands the ball off to Barkley, I'm getting a shot on him. It's what the Bengals did to RGIII his rookie season. Every chance they got, they tee'd off on RGIII even if he handed the ball off. If you want to run the read-option, be prepared to get hit... Yep by all means do that more then once with Cox barreling down on you, please. Exactly what he will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, minutemancl said: And about time they utilized Odell's many talents other than catching and running with the football. He can throw further with his non-dominant hand than most people can with their dominant one and he's our backup kicker as well. I would love to see him throw, run, and catch a touchdown AND kick a field goal in the same game. Obviously he is too good of a receiver to move him anywhere else for good, but it is fun getting him to do some different things to take advantage of what he offers. I think I remember them using him on punt returns as well last game. Nice to see them looking for lots of different ways to get him involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 hours ago, minutemancl said: And about time they utilized Odell's many talents other than catching and running with the football. He can throw further with his non-dominant hand than most people can with their dominant one and he's our backup kicker as well. I would love to see him throw, run, and catch a touchdown AND kick a field goal in the same game. Obviously he is too good of a receiver to move him anywhere else for good, but it is fun getting him to do some different things to take advantage of what he offers. Yeah, he is an incredible soccer player as well... they should just make him the full time kicker and save the roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 My friend and I talked about why Brees still have yet to win an MVP? He said its sad that the best statistical QB in NFL history still has yet to win an MVP. I told him that if you look at a guy like Brady, he won the MVP in 2007 but he had to throw for 4800yds and 50tds to do so with his team going 16-0. He won another MVP last season but that was only because Wentz got hurt. Had Wentz stayed healthy, Brady wouldnt have won. So Brees either needs to have a Brady type season in 2007 OR need to catch a break this season because the narrative is leaning towards Mahomes, Goff/Gurley because they are leading the best teams in the NFL, everyone is saying these are the teams headed towards a Superbowl matchup, and these teams have the best two offenses in the NFL. Brees is in the discussion but the narrative isnt in his favor. I think its unfortunate Brees never won an MVP but if I had to use an example, look at the NBA, Klay Thompson is really the best pure shooter in the NBA. He just plays with a guy who is more out there in Steph Curry. So when people think of the best shooter they always talk about Steph first. Klay is really a better shooter. Brees is great but over the years he has been overlooked by guys like Brady, Peyton, and ARod. Now he is being overlooked by Wentz, Mahomes, Goff, and still Brady and ARod are around. Even guys like Ryan and Cam because those seasons they had unbelievable seasons plus their teams was the best in the NFL. So again, in order for Brees to win an MVP he has to have a great season and the Saints has to be the best team in the NFL. It can happen this season but right now both arent the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, stl4life07 said: My friend and I talked about why Brees still have yet to win an MVP? He said its sad that the best statistical QB in NFL history still has yet to win an MVP. I told him that if you look at a guy like Brady, he won the MVP in 2007 but he had to throw for 4800yds and 50tds to do so with his team going 16-0. He won another MVP last season but that was only because Wentz got hurt. Had Wentz stayed healthy, Brady wouldnt have won. So Brees either needs to have a Brady type season in 2007 OR need to catch a break this season because the narrative is leaning towards Mahomes, Goff/Gurley because they are leading the best teams in the NFL, everyone is saying these are the teams headed towards a Superbowl matchup, and these teams have the best two offenses in the NFL. Brees is in the discussion but the narrative isnt in his favor. I think its unfortunate Brees never won an MVP but if I had to use an example, look at the NBA, Klay Thompson is really the best pure shooter in the NBA. He just plays with a guy who is more out there in Steph Curry. So when people think of the best shooter they always talk about Steph first. Klay is really a better shooter. Brees is great but over the years he has been overlooked by guys like Brady, Peyton, and ARod. Now he is being overlooked by Wentz, Mahomes, Goff, and still Brady and ARod are around. Even guys like Ryan and Cam because those seasons they had unbelievable seasons plus their teams was the best in the NFL. So again, in order for Brees to win an MVP he has to have a great season and the Saints has to be the best team in the NFL. It can happen this season but right now both arent the case. No doubt in my mind Brees deserved it over Manning in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeTheBallDeep Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, iknowcool said: No doubt in my mind Brees deserved it over Manning in 2009. And Favre deserved it over both of them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigInBoys Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4 hours ago, stl4life07 said: My friend and I talked about why Brees still have yet to win an MVP? He said its sad that the best statistical QB in NFL history still has yet to win an MVP. I told him that if you look at a guy like Brady, he won the MVP in 2007 but he had to throw for 4800yds and 50tds to do so with his team going 16-0. He won another MVP last season but that was only because Wentz got hurt. Had Wentz stayed healthy, Brady wouldnt have won. So Brees either needs to have a Brady type season in 2007 OR need to catch a break this season because the narrative is leaning towards Mahomes, Goff/Gurley because they are leading the best teams in the NFL, everyone is saying these are the teams headed towards a Superbowl matchup, and these teams have the best two offenses in the NFL. Brees is in the discussion but the narrative isnt in his favor. I think its unfortunate Brees never won an MVP but if I had to use an example, look at the NBA, Klay Thompson is really the best pure shooter in the NBA. He just plays with a guy who is more out there in Steph Curry. So when people think of the best shooter they always talk about Steph first. Klay is really a better shooter. Brees is great but over the years he has been overlooked by guys like Brady, Peyton, and ARod. Now he is being overlooked by Wentz, Mahomes, Goff, and still Brady and ARod are around. Even guys like Ryan and Cam because those seasons they had unbelievable seasons plus their teams was the best in the NFL. So again, in order for Brees to win an MVP he has to have a great season and the Saints has to be the best team in the NFL. It can happen this season but right now both arent the case. ...Klay is not a better shooter than Curry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 35 minutes ago, DigInBoys said: ...Klay is not a better shooter than Curry. He is. It’s just Steph is more out there with shooting from nearly half court and doing trick shots before games and his brand overall is more publicized than Klay. Like Klay just does his own thing quietly so nobody gives him the true credit he deserves but he is the better pure shooter than Steph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 hours ago, stl4life07 said: Klay Thompson is really the best pure shooter in the NBA. He just plays with a guy who is more out there in Steph Curry. So when people think of the best shooter they always talk about Steph first. Klay is a better catch and shooter, probably the best all time. Steph Curry is the best off dribble shooter in NBA history by a large margin. Just wanted to clear that up. The game where Klay dropped 60 he dribbled the ball 11 times and had the ball in his hands a total of 52 seconds (only played 29 minutes too which is just unreal). I agreed with the rest of your post. I still don't understand why wentz didn't win the MVP last season even though he was hurt.. didnt that happen in like week 14? Same thing with derek Carr the year before. A week 16 injury shouldn't stop you from winning the MVP. Makes no freaking sense when the injury comes so late in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilenFroggen Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Football is awesome this year. The RTP and random BS like the Landon Collins/Devin Funchess nonsense is hard to stomach, and the lack of defense is disconcerting, but damn if most of these games aren’t must see TV. I’m loving this season thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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