Superman(DH23) Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 42 minutes ago, AlNFL19 said: That's a ridiculous take. The bears offense outscore the Pat's offense 31 to 24. The Pat's got 2 special teams TDs. You saying that the Bears (a top 5 offense and defense) were just the beneficiaries of poor play by the Patriots clearly demonstrated that you arent willing to give credit where it's due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: That's a ridiculous take. The bears offense outscore the Pat's offense 31 to 24. The Pat's got 2 special teams TDs. You saying that the Bears (a top 5 offense and defense) were just the beneficiaries of poor play by the Patriots clearly demonstrated that you arent willing to give credit where it's due. Well, the offense did score the points, but you could argue we spotted you 14 points. Fumble of kick off handed CHI the ball on our 20 yard line, fumble handed CHI the ball on our 36. CHI were 17-7 up with Mitch only completing 3 passes. Credit to make the scores though, still had to punch them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Superman(DH23) said: That's a ridiculous take. The bears offense outscore the Pat's offense 31 to 24. The Pat's got 2 special teams TDs. You saying that the Bears (a top 5 offense and defense) were just the beneficiaries of poor play by the Patriots clearly demonstrated that you arent willing to give credit where it's due. Offensively, the Bears played okay but clearly benefited from some poor play by New England. You don't run 50 yards on an 8-yard run without a few defensive mistakes, just as one example. Defensively, giving up 24 points is not very good, especially considering the Patriots scored 2 TDs without even getting an offensive drive - and giving up 2 special teams touchdowns is horrible. Trubisky missed a lot of throws very badly. Overall, that is what I would classify as a "bad performance." Obviously, I'm not giving the Bears the credit you want me to. That's kind of the whole point of this argument. When they played a good team in New England, they turned in what I would consider to be a relatively poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: Well, the offense did score the points, but you could argue we spotted you 14 points. Fumble of kick off handed CHI the ball on our 20 yard line, fumble handed CHI the ball on our 36. CHI were 17-7 up with Mitch only completing 3 passes. Credit to make the scores though, still had to punch them in. Who scored those points? Remind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, AlNFL19 said: Offensively, the Bears played okay but clearly benefited from some poor play by New England. You don't run 50 yards on an 8-yard run without a few defensive mistakes, just as one example. Defensively, giving up 24 points is not very good, especially considering the Patriots scored 2 TDs without even getting an offensive drive - and giving up 2 special teams touchdowns is horrible. Trubisky missed a lot of throws very badly. Overall, that is what I would classify as a "bad performance." Obviously, I'm not giving the Bears the credit you want me to. That's kind of the whole point of this argument. When they played a good team in New England, they turned in what I would consider to be a relatively poor performance. 400+ yards for a qb is a poor performance? Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Superman(DH23) said: 400+ yards for a qb is a poor performance? Ok. D i d y o u w a t c h t h e g a m e ? And there's a reason yardage isn't the stat that you see people relying on: it's easy to pile up yards playing catch-up, and it's not overly highly correlated with scoring. Stats like that can paint a misleading picture. 333 yards sounds good. 26-50 for 333 yards, 2 TDs, and 2 INTs for a 69.8 Passer Rating and 6.06 ANY/A does not sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, AlNFL19 said: D i d y o u w a t c h t h e g a m e ? And there's a reason yardage isn't the stat that you see people relying on: it's easy to pile up yards playing catch-up, and it's not overly highly correlated with scoring. Stats like that can paint a misleading picture. 333 yards sounds good. 26-50 for 333 yards, 2 TDs, and 2 INTs for a 69.8 Passer Rating and 6.06 ANY/A does not sound good. Yeah I watched the game, did you? Bc if you did you know that the only reason the Bears were in that game from start to finish is bc of Trubisky. What were Mahomes stats against the Pat's? Remind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Superman(DH23) said: Yeah I watched the game, did you? Bc if you did you know that the only reason the Bears were in that game from start to finish is bc of Trubisky. What were Mahomes stats against the Pat's? Remind me. Cool. Again, 26-50 for 333 yards and 2 TDs and 2 INTs is not very good. Mahomes against the Patriots: 23-36, 352 yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 110 Passer Rating, 9.78 ANY/A. That's a completion rate 11% better than Trubisky. In the NFL, 63% is good. 52% is bad. That's 19 more yards on 14 less passes. That's two more touchdowns with the same number of picks. That's a Passer Rating 40.2 better. In the NFL, 110 is a good Passer Rating. 69.8 is bad. That's an ANY/A 3.72 better. In the NFL, 9.78 is great for ANY/A. 6.06 is below average. There you go, those are Mahomes' stats from the game against New England. Just because both threw for 300 yards doesn't mean they were just as good. Yards aren't the only stat in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Because you don't fight with helmets on. It's just a peacocking contest. You throw punches at eachother's face in a fight - he didn't ACTUALLY want to fight. You don’t know that. Stop speaking hypotheticals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, AlNFL19 said: Cool. Again, 26-50 for 333 yards and 2 TDs and 2 INTs is not very good. Mahomes against the Patriots: 23-36, 352 yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 110 Passer Rating, 9.78 ANY/A. That's a completion rate 11% better than Trubisky. In the NFL, 63% is good. 52% is bad. That's 19 more yards on 14 less passes. That's two more touchdowns with the same number of picks. That's a Passer Rating 40.2 better. In the NFL, 110 is a good Passer Rating. 69.8 is bad. That's an ANY/A 3.72 better. In the NFL, 9.78 is great for ANY/A. 6.06 is below average. There you go, those are Mahomes' stats from the game against New England. Just because both threw for 300 yards doesn't mean they were just as good. Yards aren't the only stat in football. And you are just going to conveniently leave off the 81 yards and TD that Tru had rushing that day bc it doesnt fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: Yeah I watched the game, did you? Bc if you did you know that the only reason the Bears were in that game from start to finish is bc of Trubisky. What were Mahomes stats against the Pat's? Remind me. 29/45 for 376, and 4/1. Oh wait, no, those were Blake Bortles’ stats vs NE. Pats routinely play down (or up) to their QB competition, especially this year. Are you trying to paint it like Trubisky diced up a good defense or something, because he put up some yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: 400+ yards for a qb is a poor performance? Ok. I get it you're trying to defend your QB, but that NE game wasn't good for Trubisky. Any time you're attempting 50 passes and completing less than 60% of those passes (in a pro passing era) you're not playing well (even with some plus rushing plays). If you're throwing 50 passes, 300+ is bare minimum of yards you should get. I'd be interested in seeing QBs with 50+ attempts without hitting 300, I'd imagine the list is really short (if there are any names on it at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, ET80 said: I get it you're trying to defend your QB, but that NE game wasn't good for Trubisky. Any time you're attempting 50 passes and completing less than 60% of those passes (in a pro passing era) you're not playing well (even with some plus rushing plays). If you're throwing 50 passes, 300+ is bare minimum of yards you should get. I'd be interested in seeing QBs with 50+ attempts without hitting 300, I'd imagine the list is really short (if there are any names on it at all). https://mobile.twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/929145597969469441?lang=en Joe Flacco holds the record for most games with 50+ pass attempts without making it to 300 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Joey Bosa close to returning. Finally practicing per Anthony Lynn. This is amazing news after losing our starting MLB for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Classic said: Joey Bosa close to returning. Finally practicing per Anthony Lynn. This is amazing news after losing our starting MLB for the year. So that means that he won’t be playing this year. Classic Chargers puns intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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