El Ramster Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: It's okay to say you think Vick is more elusive in the pocket, but the rest of this is just garbage trolling. I’m not. We’ve made love to Wilson constantly. Never been impressed with his pocket ability. And you’re way too young to remember Matt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, El ramster said: I’m not. We’ve made love to Wilson constantly. Never been impressed with his pocket ability. And you’re way too young to remember Matt.. Bro I grew up with Hasselbeck. I appreciate the hell out of him, but imagine him doing this: or this or this Like dude I appreciate a difference of opinion, but I absolutely do not believe you're this dense in actuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Hasselbeck would not have lasted 2 years behind Russell Wilson's O-lines. Any talk otherwise is lunacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I think Russell Wilson is better than Vick in terms of the magic being pulled off to escape the pocket and make plays, but Vick is definitely the most athletically gifted running QB I've ever seen. Nobody is/was better than Vick as a runner. He faced a muddle rush on almost every passing snap because you couldn't actually rush him without getting gashed for a big gain. Vick played against some elite DL's and still got outside of them with ease. Wilson is good, but Vick is a different kind of athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Malfatron said: best: Von Miller worst: Russell Wilson Best : Richard sherman / Jalen Ramsey Worst : Tom Brady / Dak Prescott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BleedTheClock said: Nobody is/was better than Vick as a runner. He faced a muddle rush on almost every passing snap because you couldn't actually rush him without getting gashed for a big gain. Vick played against some elite DL's and still got outside of them with ease. Wilson is good, but Vick is a different kind of athlete. I was attempting to break down the difference between Vick and Wilson. Wilson, I think, is better at escaping rushers coming at him. Vick though, IMHO, is the best open field running QB of all-time - Wilson is not. I just think when it comes to avoiding pressure in the backfield/pocket, the things I've seen Wilson do is just insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I was attempting to break down the difference between Vick and Wilson. Wilson, I think, is better at escaping rushers coming at him. Vick though, IMHO, is the best open field running QB of all-time - Wilson is not. I just think when it comes to avoiding pressure in the backfield/pocket, the things I've seen Wilson do is just insane. I can see this argument. I think the difference is Vick was so damn fast he just glided away from defenders. He didn't have to spin around like a lunatic and pull magic out of his anus to escape the way Wilson does. Wilson makes more spectacular scrambling around plays, but I'm taking Vick by the slightest of margins when it comes to getting away from a pass rush. Hard to coordinate an argument against one or the other though...it's most certainly a sliver of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Vick averaged 7.0 ypc with 36 rushing TDs He was a runner 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, and a QB 4th He did have that brief run in 2010 where he put it all together. Cunningham averaged 6.4 ypc with 35 rushing TDs He was a true dual threat Wilson averages 5.9 ypc with 16 rushing TDs He uses his mobility mostly to stay alive to make game changing plays throwing the ball He often turns 8 yard sacks into a loss of 1, not killing the drive Cam averages 5.2 ypc with 58 rushing TDs He is not a great passer, but he elevated his passing in 2015 and at times this year Cam is an absolute red zone beast running with the ball, as anyone with a fantasy RB who plays for Carolina would know Its really hard to break a 25 yard run on 3rd and goal from the 4, but I prefer the 6 points to the better average Steve Young averaged 5.9 ypc with 43 rushing TDs He was pass 1st, 2nd, and 3rd but if the play broke down, he was gone. Wilson is by far the second best overall QB of the 5. He already has more career passing yards than Vick through 7 1/2 seasons. He is a 95-100 rated passer. He won the Super Bowl and got to another He had 22176 yards passing and 3275 rushing through 6 seasons. That's 4242 yards of offense on average. Cunningham would be 3rd The year he ran for 945 yards, he also passed for 30 TDs and 3450 yards. He had another MVP level season as a passer in 1998 Cam would be 4th and closing. He could easily have 100 rushing TDs and 300 passing TDs before he is done Like Wilson, he is not even 30 yet. Vick is a far, far, far distant 5th. He was a gimmick running QB who would sometimes throw. He was a 75.7 rated passer in the 2000s as a Falcon. His career highs as a Falcon were 20 TDs and 2936 yards Who cares if he was a bit faster as a runner? He was far worse at playing NFL QB then all these other guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Vick's a better open-field runner, so if you want a scrambler he's your guy (and I don't mean that in a bad way; Vick was a terrifc runner). But I think Newton offers you more in play-call diversity; he can run outside, inside, short-yardage/goal-line. The runs you can design for Newton vs the runs you can design for Vick is way different and a lot more variety in Cam's favor, not to mention Newton doesn't fumble nearly as much and has the size to drag guys. Those are the two best though, if we're just talking who is the best runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Slim Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 newton is a guy who essentially doubles as a running back whereas vick is the best running signal caller the game had ever seen and to me that’d be the best way to explain their relative strengths and weaknesses running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 According to PFF the Oakland Raiders have worst past rush in their history of chronicling, which goes back to 2006. 22% of dropbacks they've created pressure. Aaron Donald on his own has 3 fewer pressures than the entire Raiders defense. Remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle21121 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Bosa is back Cancel the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riceman80 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 5 hours ago, PapaShogun said: According to PFF the Oakland Raiders have worst past rush in their history of chronicling, which goes back to 2006. 22% of dropbacks they've created pressure. Aaron Donald on his own has 3 fewer pressures than the entire Raiders defense. Remarkable. I'd love to know where our ranking in sacks and pressures would be if you added Mack's stats to ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Hot take - both Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes won't be judged on their 2nd contract by who becomes the highest paid player, but who will take less money to allow some flexibility to maintain a competitive roster around them. In essence, which one is going to take the Tom Brady path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Cardinal forum about to come roaring back to life when Rosen throws for 450 yards and 5 TDs on the Raider Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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