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3 minutes ago, John232 said:

No way for us to know that why speculate much less blame him for it. Even a doctor wouldn’t presume to know everything without prior details or knowledge.

 

the only thing is he might not have great strength Around the ligaments for whatever reason. Obviously that won’t be a problem going forward since it’s going to be a focus for him.

Yeah i don't exactly what happened in that knee but it is clear it has nothing to do with contact and his plant doesn't look strange or awkward so it has to be something that happened in his knee. And really i can't blame him for trying to pick up a extra few yards. Would he have done it if we where leading? Probably not and the sack he took before probably doesn't help either.

 

If he would have broken a collar bone or anything similar because of the hit yeah you can blame the guy to some point.

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If he changed his motion (go out of bounds rather than make the cut that torques his knee), he would have played another down. No buckled knee at that time. Period.

In the future? Who knows? But it would not have happened AT THAT TIME. Simple logic.

No dislike of Jimmy G, just wish he would have been prudent rather than trying to eke out that little bit more...

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1 minute ago, Chrissooner49er said:

If he changed his motion (go out of bounds rather than make the cut that torques his knee), he would have played another down. No buckled knee at that time. Period.

In the future? Who knows? But it would not have happened AT THAT TIME. Simple logic.

Might have buckled his knee when stepping out of bounds too who knows. 

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The truth is, Jimmy's injury will distract from the fact that he wasn't playing up to the money he was making through 3 games. He was holding the ball and not throwing with the kind of consistent accuracy you want from a guy who is being paid to be the franchise quarterback.

It really was stupid not to franchise the guy and at least make him show it over the course of a full season.  

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If instead of tearing his ACL, Jimmy managed to cut inside and score a touchdown untouched, there is a zero percent chance I would be reading posts saying, "Jimmy should have gone out of bounds instead of scoring that touchdown." More likely - "What an unbelievable highlight!" or something of that nature. It would be a manly play. Something gutsy in the act of an improbable comeback, not risky.

If Jimmy merely bounced up from the tackle and jogged back to the huddle unphased, we would not be having this conversation. 

Meaning, the complaints being levied are outcome-based and not based on the act of Jimmy trying to make a play. Only because the outcome is unfavorable, we're blaming the injured player. No true principle is involved. I can't get behind that.

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10 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said:

The truth is, Jimmy's injury will distract from the fact that he wasn't playing up to the money he was making through 3 games. He was holding the ball and not throwing with the kind of consistent accuracy you want from a guy who is being paid to be the franchise quarterback.

It really was stupid not to franchise the guy and at least make him show it over the course of a full season.  

The way he was playing in the second half against the Chiefs was really impressive. Besides that his contract is bascially two franchise tags with a little extra thrown on to make the later years lower if we decide to keep him after two years.

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7 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said:

The truth is, Jimmy's injury will distract from the fact that he wasn't playing up to the money he was making through 3 games. He was holding the ball and not throwing with the kind of consistent accuracy you want from a guy who is being paid to be the franchise quarterback.

It really was stupid not to franchise the guy and at least make him show it over the course of a full season.  

I don't think I buy into this narrative. It's well documented that Matt Ryan struggled with understanding Shannahan's playbook and it wasn't until his second full season in the system for him to really get it and play great. Jimmy G played 5 games last year, had one full offseason in the system, then played 3 games this season. At the start of next season, he will still have about half of a season's worth of snaps in this offense. Fortunately, he will also have two full offseasons of learning under his belt at that time as well. 

 

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14 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said:

The truth is, Jimmy's injury will distract from the fact that he wasn't playing up to the money he was making through 3 games. He was holding the ball and not throwing with the kind of consistent accuracy you want from a guy who is being paid to be the franchise quarterback.

It really was stupid not to franchise the guy and at least make him show it over the course of a full season.  

It really wasn't. This shows a misunderstanding of the way the contract was structured. Essentially, they gave him 10 million over back to back franchise tag. You can equate that 10 million dollar payment to a vested 3 year option at lower base salaries than would be potentially required to sign him for in 2020. We've already hit the 30 million mark, yet the back end of his contract would have had base salaries between 23-24 million, which would have been significantly lower than the annual salaries of quarterbacks at that point. 

Essentially, they paid out 10 million for a 3 year option which could potentially save them 10-15 million on the back end. It's okay not to be a fan of doing that, maybe that's too much for a 3 year option. But it certainly wasn't "stupid". He was always going to get at least two years to prove what he was. That basically means what would have happened was a franchise tag and then signing a long term deal after this season, which would have been much higher after the season was over if he balled out, or it would have meant back to back franchise tags with a long term deal at the end of that which would have been even higher. If he struggled both years, you cut bait with him, which is essentially what would happen on this deal anyway (he only has 4 million dead space after next season) 

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4 hours ago, John232 said:

 

How hyoed were you in Jimmy last year, that you’re acting like he was playing like a bottom 5 QB now? He was making largely the same kind of choices last year. The difference is position players are not making plays like they did last year. The difference is the gun slinging and “play making” he was doing this year is actually getting him in more trouble. Furthermore, he has started less than a season, he’s going to be 27 and most QB’s hit their prime in their 30’s. But sure cry more about wanting to draft Mahommes despite him going to a perfect situation with an elite talent level around him.  And don’t confuse any of this as “excuses” this literally talking about player development. IF you expect anyone to immediately walk into grayness you’re either expecting the greatest talent of our time or you’re expectations are wildly misplaced and unfounded. These things unfortunately take time. But sure. Excuses for stating that it takes time for people actually to get better. 

 

Also, Many posters on this forum called this as being something that can bite him in the ***. You seem intent on finding every little thing wrong with him to the point of blaming him for an injury that is luck related.

 

 

Now if he lowered his shoulder and broke his collar bone, sure, you can blame him for that. But that’s not what happens. He could have cut on a scramble down the middle of the field and the same thing could happen.

I can give you the podiatrist information if you want it. He’s the director of podiatry at A Kaiser hospital. Literally an injury based on dumb luck, leg position and torques you are objectively wrong in blaming him for tearing his ACL. Injuries.happen. Stop trying to blame someone for it. **** happens.

 

Anyways I’m done dignifying your opinion on Jimmy. It’s baed in your own personal expectations and not anything grounded in reality.

Jimmy wasn't playing that great compared to last season. That is just the facts little buddy. Regardless if it was taking time for him to digest more of Kyle's offense. He wasn't playing horribly, but he wasn't playing like he was last year. He was holding on to the ball way too long, and taking unnecessary sacks. Doesn't mean he will suck longterm, but as of now he was playing lackluster ball. Period.

As for Mahomes, he is in a great situation. But he's just making great decisions out there. This is the difference between someone like him, and Alex Smith who had the same situation, but just wasn't as talented. Some guys just step in, and start balling. Any player can use the excuse that they weren't in the best situation, so they didn't perform well. Jimmy's isn't so bad, that he should be playing worse this year compared to last year in a worse situation. 

Injuries happen, but there are still things you can do to protect yourself on the field. If that wasn't the case, then Jimmy should just barrel roll himself into defenders any time. Cut against the grain every time near the sideline. All quarterbacks should. You'd be cool with that? Because "**** happens"?

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3 hours ago, John232 said:

This logic is so incredibly flawed. But sure, blame some for an injury from a motion that is done literally thousands of times ins season. Make sure if you ever talk to Jimmy to say “hey next time you make a cut, don’t think about the play, don’t think about the LBer bearing down on you, think about your ACL when you avoid a tackle or try to make a play”

 

maybe Dalvin Cook should think about not cutting. take his destiny into his hands. Maybe Richard Sherman should not plant and run.

this might literally be the most retarded ******* debate I’ve ever seen. Torn ligaments are not preventable. This is baffling that you guys are blaming him for this injury based on him choosing to cut. Something done all the time

Don't think anyone will have to tell Jimmy that. And next season watch, I bet you he doesn't try it again.

Dalvin Cook is used to cutting. His role is completely different, and unavoidable. This is why running backs are more susceptible to that kind of injury. Same with a receiver. Or a corner.

It would be one thing if Jimmy G tried to spin out of tackle in the pocket, because he was chained up, and messed up his knee. But when you have an OPPORTUNITY to protect yourself like Jimmy had near the sideline you take it. Maybe he tears it on the next play, maybe he doesn't for three more weeks. But at the time he had an opportunity to protect himself.

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1 hour ago, y2lamanaki said:

If instead of tearing his ACL, Jimmy managed to cut inside and score a touchdown untouched, there is a zero percent chance I would be reading posts saying, "Jimmy should have gone out of bounds instead of scoring that touchdown." More likely - "What an unbelievable highlight!" or something of that nature. It would be a manly play. Something gutsy in the act of an improbable comeback, not risky.

If Jimmy merely bounced up from the tackle and jogged back to the huddle unphased, we would not be having this conversation. 

Meaning, the complaints being levied are outcome-based and not based on the act of Jimmy trying to make a play. Only because the outcome is unfavorable, we're blaming the injured player. No true principle is involved. I can't get behind that.

Brees did something similar yesterday. Instead of going down when he should have he tried to take on two defenders in the open field, but trying to do a spin move. He got lucky, and it worked. Then he scored a touchdown. Great, but he got lucky he wasn't seriously injured. 

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On 9/23/2018 at 4:09 PM, Jlowe22 said:

Lol Brees GOAT spin move

 

On 9/23/2018 at 4:13 PM, Spartica4Real said:

Great run by Brees but unfortunate we left them with the perfect amount of time to kick a FG as time expires 

Who could ever see this GW FG incoming?

 

2 hours ago, PapaShogun said:

Brees did something similar yesterday. Instead of going down when he should have he tried to take on two defenders in the open field, but trying to do a spin move. He got lucky, and it worked. Then he scored a touchdown. Great, but he got lucky he wasn't seriously injured. 

Good point. Except I don't see Saints fans complaining about Brees running and not sliding safely rather than scoring. Seems like that thought didn't cross their mind. Because it had no reason to cross their mind. He didn't get injured. Instead, it was just an incredible move from a QB who had no business pulling it off. A highlight rather than a lowlight. The only complaints would have come if his knee got caught in the spin and he tore it to shreds.

100% outcome based.

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1 minute ago, y2lamanaki said:

 

 

Good point. Except I don't see Saints fans complaining about Brees running and not sliding safely rather than scoring. Seems like that thought didn't cross their mind. Because it had no reason to cross their mind. He didn't get injured. Instead, it was just an incredible move from a QB who had no business pulling it off. A highlight rather than a lowlight. The only complaints would have come if his knee got caught in the spin and he tore it to shreds.

100% outcome based.

I'd rather Brees not do spin moves and try to juke players.  It's ultra rare to see him not slide on a run.

But sure, he didn't get hurt, so it's no big deal.  We needed a TD to stay alive there also.

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6 minutes ago, y2lamanaki said:

 

 

Good point. Except I don't see Saints fans complaining about Brees running and not sliding safely rather than scoring. Seems like that thought didn't cross their mind. Because it had no reason to cross their mind. He didn't get injured. Instead, it was just an incredible move from a QB who had no business pulling it off. A highlight rather than a lowlight. The only complaints would have come if his knee got caught in the spin and he tore it to shreds.

100% outcome based.

The two people you quoted don't speak for every Saints fan. Just like you don't speak for every 49ers fan. If Jimmy had scored I'd be happy, but state that he got lucky and could have been seriously injured, and avoid unnecessary scrapes next time. Should Jimmy just never take any precautions then when playing?

 

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Just now, Jlowe22 said:

I'd rather Brees not do spin moves and try to juke players.  It's ultra rare to see him not slide on a run.

But sure, he didn't get hurt, so it's no big deal.  We needed a TD to stay alive there also.

Sure, and everyone would say that about their QB. But you guys aren't complaining about it- it worked. We needed a touchdown when Garoppolo went down. Worked for one - didn't for the other. So one fan base sees a great play, the other sees a terrible play. Totally outcome-based.

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