rcon14 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: It's his last year, at least as a Packer. He's in his final days like Clifton and Tauscher's last years. His knees and back don't have much left. How can't we get behind a solid tackle prospect? McGary seems top prospect for GB after Taylor. Him at 30>>>>Burns at12. Maybe Lindstrom at RT. One early pick on OL, I definitely can see. No early pick at receiver is even more likely when the value there is round 3-5. To begin beating the horse to death, who does Burns COMPARE to? How did Pettine like his top ten pass rusher in Cleveland, I wonder. Is there a better comp for Burns? Did Pettine like his light edge rushers? Is this article wrong? https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/brian-burns-declares-takes-on-challenge-of-light-edge-rushers Jerry Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: It's his last year, at least as a Packer. He's in his final days like Clifton and Tauscher's last years. His knees and back don't have much left. How can't we get behind a solid tackle prospect? McGary seems top prospect for GB after Taylor. Him at 30>>>>Burns at12. Maybe Lindstrom at RT. One early pick on OL, I definitely can see. No early pick at receiver is even more likely when the value there is round 3-5. To begin beating the horse to death, who does Burns COMPARE to? How did Pettine like his top ten pass rusher in Cleveland, I wonder. Is there a better comp for Burns? Did Pettine like his light edge rushers? Is this article wrong? https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/brian-burns-declares-takes-on-challenge-of-light-edge-rushers Leonard Floyd has been my comp as a prospect. Very similar body styles and grades for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 22 hours ago, JBURGE said: You keep using this history to say why the team won't, but what about taking Gute's moves into account? He was active last year in FA, active and actually finished a handful of deals this year, has 3 trades with his first 3 picks last year in the draft... I would say that he is much more aggressive and I don't think it's out of the question to think he might be changing the way the Packers operate significantly I mean, what's the alternative of Gute not signing his current set of FAs? It's not like that money he offers disappears. He just signs other FAs. What happens if you use multiple DPs to move up? You lose the ability to maneuver around in the draft, and end up handicapping yourself. There's a reason why there's really only a handful of teams who are actively looking to move up, and it's usually either because they have "extra" draft capital or they are run by an incompetent FO. The Packers fall under the former, but I'd say they don't fall under the latter. To me, this is an organizational philosophy and I'd venture a guess to say that it won't be likely to happen again. We've also heard comments from Gute about how they like to have a pick every 30 picks or so that way they can adjust to the draft. IF the Packers traded their SRP to move up from 12, that means they're going from 30 to 75 without making a pick. What happens if their draft pool goes quick? I think it's far more likely we potentially see a pair of trade downs (say 12 to 15 and 30 to an early 4th) and then utilize that draft capital they receive to move back up from 75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 hours ago, BrettFavre004 said: Wondering why he isn't a consensus top 10 LT prospect. Because he plays for Washington State... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Pilprin said: I do not want a RT in the first round...not even the 2nd round. take one or two in rounds 3-6 (we have 6 picks there). I like David Edwards in 4-6. I think he has a good upside as a RT. Care to guess what the success rate of OL in the first round? A report a few years ago pegged it around 83% success rate. Care to guess what the success rate of rounds 4-6 were? 4th round success rate was 29% while 5th and 6th round success rate was 16%. I think we as Packers fans have been spoiled by how well the Packers have developed OL (IOL in particular) out of mid-to-late picks that we have unrealistic expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Care to guess what the success rate of OL in the first round? A report a few years ago pegged it around 83% success rate. Care to guess what the success rate of rounds 4-6 were? 4th round success rate was 29% while 5th and 6th round success rate was 16%. I think we as Packers fans have been spoiled by how well the Packers have developed OL (IOL in particular) out of mid-to-late picks that we have unrealistic expectations. And a new offensive line coach. Just mentioning it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Care to guess what the success rate of OL in the first round? A report a few years ago pegged it around 83% success rate. Care to guess what the success rate of rounds 4-6 were? 4th round success rate was 29% while 5th and 6th round success rate was 16%. I think we as Packers fans have been spoiled by how well the Packers have developed OL (IOL in particular) out of mid-to-late picks that we have unrealistic expectations. Yes. This. It all depends what they see in this class and these prospects. This class seems better than the last couple in rounds #-_ 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Leonard Floyd has been my comp as a prospect. Very similar body styles and grades for both. I did not want Floyd then (and was happy Chicago took him). I don't want him now or Burns, esp if he projects like Floyd which I expect. Honestly, I don't get why teams even look at these guys. Pettine spent many years in Baltimore. So did Z Smith. (I wanted the Pack to take Chris Jones that year but was good with Clark.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: Yes. This. It all depends what they see in this class and these prospects. This class seems better than the last couple in rounds #-_ I did not want Floyd then (and was happy Chicago took him). I don't want him now or Burns, esp if he projects like Floyd which I expect. Honestly, I don't get why teams even look at these guys. Pettine spent many years in Baltimore. So did Z Smith. (I wanted the Pack to take Chris Jones that year but was good with Clark.) So your not on board with Burns at 12. Took awhile but I think I understand that now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kepler said: So your not on board with Burns at 12. Took awhile but I think I understand that now. Hahaha. Actually, I am trying to be persuaded into liking Burns tbh. The Floyd comp just killed that. I was on board for a half a day though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, CWood21 said: Care to guess what the success rate of OL in the first round? A report a few years ago pegged it around 83% success rate. Care to guess what the success rate of rounds 4-6 were? 4th round success rate was 29% while 5th and 6th round success rate was 16%. I think we as Packers fans have been spoiled by how well the Packers have developed OL (IOL in particular) out of mid-to-late picks that we have unrealistic expectations. @CWood21 SO you just pulling this stat out of your butt, or do you actually have something that backs it up? I am having a hard time seeing 32-33 hits in this list below k Year Rnd Pick Player Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS College/Univ 1 2015 1 5 Brandon Scherff T 23 WAS 2015 2018 0 2 4 28 54 54 Iowa College Stats 2 2015 1 9 Ereck Flowers T 21 NYG 2015 2018 0 0 3 23 59 55 Miami (FL) College Stats 3 2015 1 13 Andrus Peat T 21 NOR 2015 2018 0 1 3 34 55 50 Stanford College Stats 4 2015 1 19 Cameron Erving C 23 CLE 2015 2018 0 0 2 16 56 34 Florida St. College Stats 5 2015 1 21 Cedric Ogbuehi T 23 CIN 2015 2018 0 0 2 13 35 25 Texas A&M College Stats 6 2015 1 24 D.J. Humphries T 21 ARI 2016 2018 0 0 2 12 27 27 Florida College Stats 7 2015 1 28 Laken Tomlinson G 23 DET 2015 2018 0 0 4 24 63 55 Duke College Stats 8 2014 1 2 Greg Robinson T 21 STL 2014 2018 0 0 4 21 68 56 Auburn College Stats 9 2014 1 6 Jake Matthews T 22 ATL 2014 2018 0 1 5 46 79 79 Texas A&M College Stats 10 2014 1 11 Taylor Lewan T 23 TEN 2014 2018 0 3 4 38 73 68 Michigan College Stats 11 2014 1 16 Zack Martin G 23 DAL 2014 2018 3 5 5 54 78 78 Notre Dame College Stats 12 2014 1 19 Ja'Wuan James T 22 MIA 2014 2018 0 0 4 28 62 62 Tennessee College Stats 13 2013 1 1 Eric Fisher T 22 KAN 2013 2018 0 1 6 48 94 90 Central Michigan 14 2013 1 2 Luke Joeckel T 21 JAX 2013 2017 0 0 3 22 50 50 Texas A&M College Stats 15 2013 1 4 Lane Johnson T 23 PHI 2013 2018 1 2 5 43 80 80 Oklahoma 16 2013 1 7 Jonathan Cooper G 23 ARI 2014 2018 0 0 2 14 46 31 North Carolina College Stats 17 2013 1 10 Chance Warmack G 21 TEN 2013 2018 0 0 3 21 68 51 Alabama College Stats 18 2013 1 11 D.J. Fluker T 22 SDG 2013 2018 0 0 5 34 78 74 Alabama 19 2013 1 19 Justin Pugh T 23 NYG 2013 2018 0 0 4 27 70 70 Syracuse College Stats 20 2013 1 20 Kyle Long G 24 CHI 2013 2018 0 3 6 39 73 72 Oregon 21 2013 1 31 Travis Frederick C 22 DAL 2013 2017 1 4 5 47 80 80 Wisconsin College Stats 22 2012 1 4 Matt Kalil T 23 MIN 2012 2017 0 1 5 40 82 82 USC College Stats 23 2012 1 23 Riley Reiff T 23 DET 2012 2018 0 0 6 45 105 97 Iowa College Stats 24 2012 1 24 David DeCastro G 22 PIT 2012 2018 2 4 6 56 96 95 Stanford College Stats 25 2012 1 27 Kevin Zeitler G 22 CIN 2012 2018 0 0 7 39 104 103 Wisconsin College Stats 26 2011 1 9 Tyron Smith T 20 DAL 2011 2018 2 6 8 71 118 118 USC College Stats 27 2011 1 15 Mike Pouncey G 22 MIA 2011 2018 0 4 7 48 109 109 Florida College Stats 28 2011 1 17 Nate Solder T 23 NWE 2011 2018 0 0 7 59 114 111 Colorado 29 2011 1 22 Anthony Castonzo T 23 IND 2011 2018 0 0 8 50 116 116 Boston Col. 30 2011 1 23 Danny Watkins G 26 PHI 2011 2013 0 0 1 9 24 18 Baylor College Stats Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS College/Univ College_link 31 2011 1 25 James Carpenter T 22 SEA 2011 2018 0 0 7 39 103 97 Alabama College Stats 32 2011 1 29 Gabe Carimi T 23 CHI 2011 2014 0 0 1 12 48 26 Wisconsin College Stats 33 2011 1 32 Derek Sherrod T 22 GNB 2011 2014 0 0 0 3 20 1 Mississippi St. 34 2010 1 4 Trent Williams T 22 WAS 2010 2018 0 7 9 66 120 119 Oklahoma College Stats 35 2010 1 6 Russell Okung T 22 SEA 2010 2018 0 2 9 54 118 118 Oklahoma St. College Stats 36 2010 1 11 Anthony Davis T 20 SFO 2010 2016 0 0 4 31 72 71 Rutgers College Stats 37 2010 1 17 Mike Iupati G 23 SFO 2010 2018 1 4 8 60 114 114 Idaho 38 2010 1 18 Maurkice Pouncey C 21 PIT 2010 2018 2 7 7 69 108 108 Florida College Stats 39 2010 1 23 Bryan Bulaga T 21 GNB 2010 2018 0 0 7 50 99 95 Iowa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crfalker05 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) Slightly off topic but re: drafting Bulaga’s replacement/trying to win now, if you told me the top of the draft was very heavy on denfense and we walked away with 12) Jawaan Taylor 30) Jeffery Simmons 44) Jachai Polite Id be pretty happy, but also realize that potentially none of those 3 would make a significant contribution in the upcoming season Edited March 23, 2019 by crfalker05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, crfalker05 said: Slightly off topic but re: drafting Bulaga’s replacement/trying to win now, if you told me the top of the draft was very heavy on denfense and we walked away with 12) Jawaan Taylor 30) Jeffery Simmons 44) Jachai Polite Id be pretty happy, but also realize that potentially none of those 3 would make a significant contribution in the upcoming season The nice thing is that the 2020 season will still be an actual thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, squire12 said: The nice thing is that the 2020 season will still be an actual thing. and bulaga is still going to miss significant snaps at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Finished my first top 100. 27 first round grades right now. 58 defensive players and 42 offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, Packerraymond said: Finished my first top 100. 27 first round grades right now. 58 defensive players and 42 offensive. post it up, i'm curious. i've only got a board of 34 so far that i've watched significantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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