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Schools with the most Hall of Famers

Notre Dame (13)
Southern California (12)
Ohio State (10)
Alabama (8)
Michigan (8)
Pittsburgh (8)
Syracuse (8)
Miami - Florida (7)
Minnesota (7)
Illinois (6)

 

Cwood is 7 years old. We even had two of them. 

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#14.  Montez Sweat  Edge  Miss St.

#32.  Julian Love  CB  Notre Dame  (Seems like we can't count on King to stay healthy, Alexander, Jackson and Love if King goes down seems good to me.)

#46.  Cody Ford  T  Oklahoma  (New RG, McCray moves back into a back up.)

#77.  Wyatt Miller  T  UCF  (New RT, Bulaga keeps breaking down, time to move on.)

#115.  Lukas Denis  S  Boston College

#124.  Jared Pickney  TE  Vanderbilt

A couple other players I like, Ben Burr-Kirven, Cameron Smith, Gerald Willis, Jeffery Simmons, Yodny Cajuste, Chris Lindstrom, Porter Gustin, Josh Allen and Zach Allen.

 

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3 hours ago, Cheesehawk said:

Landon Collins,  Jonathan Allen, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Marcell Dareus, Reuben Foster, Dont'a Hightower, OJ Howard, Eddie Jackson, CJ Mosley, Jarran Reed,  Calvin Ridley.

Looking at a list and I'm sure I still missed some. I'm not steering away from talent because they are from Alabama. Their recent draftees have looked better then in the past.

How many of those exceeded or even met expectations for their draft position?

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8 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

How many of those exceeded or even met expectations for their draft position?

Eddie Jackson may be the only one who has truly exceeded expectations based on where he was drafted. 

Collins, Hightower, and Mosley have all definitively proven they were worthy of where they were selected. 

Ridley and Allen will likely look like good selections as well.

Jury is still out but i feel like everyone will be looking back at Minkah at 11 as a steal for the Dolphins. 

I get your point though, Alabama players are overvalued. That wouldn’t slow me down at all though if it meant picking a player like Jonathan Allen.

 

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I had heard once that Alabama players were beat up by the time they got to the NFL. Don't remember where, and of course everyone has an opinion based on their experiences. The recent conversations got me googling. Here's one piece that digs into Alabama players and their successes and failures

https://www.tidesports.com/alabama-players-draft-busts-not-numbers-tell-story/

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You guys are forgetting a very important Alabama player...

 

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[edit] I realize I may be jumping the gun because this highlight seems to be against Tennessee, and they will always suck.

Edited by ThatJerkDave

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19 hours ago, Ragnarok said:

At the end of the first, yes I do.  Especially because I really like him as a prospect.  

I would agree with the first 1st rounder, except for maybe a Nelson-type prospect.  But with the second 1st, I think the value is there.  Hoping for a hit like DeCastro later in the 1st, but I don't want to spend a high first on a Brandon Scherff, no matter how good he may be rated.  

Getting a starting OG in the 3rd or later is obviously preferable, but the odds of hitting that late drop drastically.  I would still like to add another OG later in the draft as well.

As long as we go with the trenches early and often, I will be pleased.

I get what you are saying.  Decastro/Nelson type player, preferably in the 30's, not the single digits.

I think you are incorrect in that the odds of finding a quality guard in rounds 3 or later "drop drastically".  GB has a long history of great guards taken in rounds 3 through later.  Not that I've done the research, but I think the NFL is full of starting guards taken round 3 or later.  

I agree with the trenches statement.  Gute setup the corner and WR position to be fine for a few years.  I think GB can still add a RB and TE, but that can be later.  Hit the EDGE, safety and trenches.

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41 minutes ago, vegas492 said:

I think you are incorrect in that the odds of finding a quality guard in rounds 3 or later "drop drastically".  GB has a long history of great guards taken in rounds 3 through later.  Not that I've done the research, but I think the NFL is full of starting guards taken round 3 or later.  

 

They were mostly college OTs who had the feet for pass pro, but weren't NFL OT candidates. Bak was viewed as a Center candidate along with Tretter - and both were college OTs just like Lang and Sitton

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13 hours ago, CWood21 said:

How many of those exceeded or even met expectations for their draft position?

There's not a single bust in that group. Avoiding Bama players sounds like a really stupid idea to me. Especially with the crop they have coming out.

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28 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

They were mostly college OTs who had the feet for pass pro, but weren't NFL OT candidates. Bak was viewed as a Center candidate along with Tretter - and both were college OTs just like Lang and Sitton

Yup.  Little shorter than ideal tackles, nice converts to guard.

I watched some Bakh in college, I didn't see a center there as other did.  He was too long and didn't play low enough.  To be fair, I thought he was a backup tackle, incapable of anchoring against power.  I saw a finesse kid who has develop amazingly well in his pro career.

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I want to see how FA looks before I put too much thought in this. With 40+ in cap we’ll sign someone. Looking at the roster and potential FAs, we need 2 edges, an OL, and a S (maybe 2 if we move people).

Consider the edge market will be tight and this is a good edge class I think you can speculate that is pick 1.

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10 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

There's not a single bust in that group. Avoiding Bama players sounds like a really stupid idea to me. Especially with the crop they have coming out.

I wasn't trying to say that they were busts.  In fact, I'd argue that their success rate in terms of not being a bust is pretty high.  But they usually don't outkick their draft status.  You look at the list of Alabama players drafted from 2010-16 and you're seeing guys who had a high floor, but low ceiling.  We've got enough good, but not great guys on our roster.  We need more impact players.  Was Marcell Dareus worth the 3rd overall pick?  Was Courtney Upshaw worth the 35th overall pick?  They've had a TON of players drafted, and the only really players I'd consider to be impact players are Julio Jones and Landon Collins.

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12 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

I wasn't trying to say that they were busts.  In fact, I'd argue that their success rate in terms of not being a bust is pretty high.  But they usually don't outkick their draft status.  You look at the list of Alabama players drafted from 2010-16 and you're seeing guys who had a high floor, but low ceiling.  We've got enough good, but not great guys on our roster.  We need more impact players.  Was Marcell Dareus worth the 3rd overall pick?  Was Courtney Upshaw worth the 35th overall pick?  They've had a TON of players drafted, and the only really players I'd consider to be impact players are Julio Jones and Landon Collins.

I will wait for you to show us the school that consistently produces players that outperform their draft positions at a relatively high volume of players.

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Just now, TheBitzMan said:

Yeah, the guy is clearly a genius.  He has the Niners logo by the Giants pick.  He has Quinnan Williams going before Ed Oliver, has the Bengals taking a tight end 21st overall when they have Kroft/Eiffert/Uzomah, calls Cobb a YAC specialist in need of replacing (LOL), has us drafting a 5'10, 170 pound receiver in the first round.

His draft consists of:

2 ILB
6 WR
2 IOL

In the first round. 

He's clearly an idiot. 

If we used a first round pick on a receiver who weighs 170 pounds, I would literally quit watching football. 

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