Lodestar Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Hunter Henry just played a playoff game 7.5 months after tearing his ACL. It's not inconceivable Simmons could return midseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) I play around with Fanspeak just to learn the prospect’s names and determine the relative range that one might expect to see players drafted. Using our own picks last night’s excursion into pre-draft timewasting yielded... Ferrell Hockenson Adderly D Edwards OT Wisconsin Anderson DL Iowa Chuma Edoga OT USC Cameron Smith LB USC Etc. Edited February 13, 2019 by blueswedeshoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 hours ago, VegasDan said: Not sure about Rosen, but I saw part of the NFL training camp show when Goff was a rookie. Coach wanted to prove a point about consistency and asked Goff where the sun rose. He didnt have a clue. When told it rose in the east he acted like it was a revelation. They showed him sharing his new found information with his teammates who some looked at him wondering if he was an idiot. Anyway, you can sound pretty stupid and still play QB apparently. Wow........ goes to show how much actual schoolwork is included with some of these college athletic scholarships. It's even in a chili peppers song. I can't even believe anyone over the age of twenty, IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, isn't aware of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Neither Jaylon Smith nor Sidney Jones made it to 44, why do we assume Simmons who is both a top 10 player and a premium position (something that couldn't be said of Smith or Jones) will? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 53 minutes ago, Lodestar said: Hunter Henry just played a playoff game 7.5 months after tearing his ACL. It's not inconceivable Simmons could return midseason. He could come back, but he'd be mostly useless. Henry at least made it through 2 training camps and 2 NFL seasons- 29 games before he got injured Look at how far back Biegel and Adams were after missing their initial TC. Once the season starts, coaches are tied up in prepping for next game and DL take time to learn the nuances of the NFL It doesn't change the fact that Simmons would still be a great pick up and he could learn the defense, become assimilated onto the team and start becoming a Pro But his on field contribution would be delayed until 2020 based on history 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Neither Jaylon Smith nor Sidney Jones made it to 44, why do we assume Simmons who is both a top 10 player and a premium position (something that couldn't be said of Smith or Jones) will? Not saying he is but that's where I'd be willing to take him. Enough with the premium position crap. You need premium players. By the way, Sidney Jones plays CB which I thought was on the 'premium' position list and he went 43, not 44 LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said: Having a player play well as a rookie starter is a bonus. You don't draft them for their rookie year, you draft them for a career. That even applies to first round picks. So then we are not only paying the rookie to sit out a year with an injury, we are paying him for a most likely non productive second year as well which would be his "actual" rookie season. You just made my argument stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Golfman said: Not saying he is but that's where I'd be willing to take him. Enough with the premium position crap. You need premium players. By the way, Sidney Jones plays CB which I thought was on the 'premium' position list and he went 43, not 44 LOL! Yeah but Jones was probably somewhere from the 15-25th best player. Simmons is both a top 10 guy and a premium position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Yeah but Jones was probably somewhere from the 15-25th best player. Simmons is both a top 10 guy and a premium position. Is CB not a premium position? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) Can anybody remember the last time the GBPs drafted top talent that had guaranteed down time his rookie season - if not miss it entirely? Edited February 13, 2019 by Leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Simmons is both a top 10 guy and a premium position. Indeed. And the 30th pick in the draft had about a $ 1.8 Million cap hit in 2018. That's an insignificant amount of money to invest in getting a top talent, so late in the draft. (And because he's a 1st rounder, you get the 5th year option) It represents a tremendous value. Both Sapp and Moss dropped down because of weed issues, allowing the bucs and vikes to score a top talent later in the draft. Others have dropped for injury as noted by PR. This is a golden opportunity for GB because they have (2) first rounders in 2019. Spending # 30 on Simmons still leaves the Packers with a full suite of draft picks to work with and a Top 10 jar on the shelf. And while his on-field contribution in 2019 will be negligible, he would still be making progress in every other facet of his transition to the NFL You don't win in the NFL by paying players what they are worth, you win by paying them less than they are worth Perhaps the draft day corollary is that you don't win by drafting players who play up to their selection slot, you win by drafting players who outplay their draft slot. With Simmons, you've got a real chance for that to happen. There's risk too, but the reward is commensurate Edited February 13, 2019 by Shanedorf 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, squire12 said: Is CB not a premium position? For the 3rd time, both a premium position AND a top 10 ranked player. The "and" means both are required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Leader said: Can anybody remember the last time the GBPs drafted top talent that had guaranteed down time his rookie season - if not miss it entirely? There was that guy from California that didn't play for two years. Good thing we drafted Brian Brohm or we could have been in real trouble. IIRC, Derrick Sherrod was supposed to develop for a season behind Clifton. Davante Adams, Jason Spriggs, and Josh Jones are all 2nd round picks that weren't going to see major playing time as rookies, if all went to plan. One could argue that Jones would have played more had he played better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 14 hours ago, Lodestar said: Hunter Henry just played a playoff game 7.5 months after tearing his ACL. It's not inconceivable Simmons could return midseason. LAC medical staff is legendary for their ACL rehabs. I wouldn't count on anything from Simmons this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Hmm....probably takes Denver off the board for drafting a QB at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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