Gopher Trace Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Hot take: EDGE is no longer a position worth valuing at a premium like LT or QB. They're just not that valuable anymore because the QBs get the ball out of their hands so damn fast now. If you want to bolster your pass-rush, getting a stud IDL who is capable of it or a ILB that blitzes effectively both seem like more efficient options than getting an athletic EDGE. The former can begin to disrupt in less time than it takes for an EDGE to get around the T, and have the added benefit of forcing the QB to move out and just generally causing the play to break. I don't feel like we have to come away with an EDGE in Round 1 with either of our picks. If a guy at the position really is the best player/value, by all means, but I'm not seeing it as a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 45 minutes ago, Gopher Trace said: Hot take: EDGE is no longer a position worth valuing at a premium like LT or QB. They're just not that valuable anymore because the QBs get the ball out of their hands so damn fast now. If you want to bolster your pass-rush, getting a stud IDL who is capable of it or a ILB that blitzes effectively both seem like more efficient options than getting an athletic EDGE. The former can begin to disrupt in less time than it takes for an EDGE to get around the T, and have the added benefit of forcing the QB to move out and just generally causing the play to break. I don't feel like we have to come away with an EDGE in Round 1 with either of our picks. If a guy at the position really is the best player/value, by all means, but I'm not seeing it as a must. I'm not sure how you can say this after seeing a huge night from 51 as a pass rusher. He undoubtedly impacted the game for the defense. This defense could be scary good if we had consistent production from the edge linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Trace Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Cheech said: I'm not sure how you can say this after seeing a huge night from 51 as a pass rusher. He undoubtedly impacted the game for the defense. This defense could be scary good if we had consistent production from the edge linebackers. Fack's huge night was due in large part to capitalizing off of secondary coverage where Wilson had nowhere to throw, so it's actually a function of good play on D, not the direct cause of it. That's how Pettine/Rex Ryan's scheme is designed: to get coverage sacks. Now, just because I do not view EDGE as premium-position important like QB or LT (or, imo, CB)... does not mean I see it as unimportant. It is important; you need guys who will beat their man and get the sack when the coverage holds, which 51 was doing nicely. I just do not see them as game-changers any longer, but more like clean-up crew. Pettine also does a great job drawing up plays to get free-rushers, but he does this using players across the defense, not just players that fit the OLB/DE mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crfalker05 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 To anyone smarter than I, does Dre’mont Jones fit into this system? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Any S/slot CB type guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James? I'd love to find a guy like that for this backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, spilltray said: Any S/slot CB type guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James? I'd love to find a guy like that for this backfield. Karl Joseph 🙏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 3 hours ago, crfalker05 said: To anyone smarter than I, does Dre’mont Jones fit into this system? I would say he's a HWS fit but I'd also pass. Snap jumper + he's on the ground a lot. Cursory look though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, spilltray said: Any S/slot CB type guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James? I'd love to find a guy like that for this backfield. chauncey gardner-johnson probably the most notable. probably ends up late first/mid second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 hours ago, crfalker05 said: To anyone smarter than I, does Dre’mont Jones fit into this system? i'm probably not smarter than you, but i don't like him from the ~ 5 minutes i spent watching cut-ups the other day i don't know who "fits" our system or what that even entails tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 guys being slotted in the 1st round that i like as human beings/locker room additions: josh allen edge brian burns edge n'keal harry wr aj brown wr dalton risner ol christian wilkins dl devin white ilb from my careful analysis these are my favorite 1st rounders in terms of likability/it-factor. been watching some mid-rounders too now. whether or not they are good at football i have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 15 hours ago, Gopher Trace said: Hot take: EDGE is no longer a position worth valuing at a premium like LT or QB. They're just not that valuable anymore because the QBs get the ball out of their hands so damn fast now. If you want to bolster your pass-rush, getting a stud IDL who is capable of it or a ILB that blitzes effectively both seem like more efficient options than getting an athletic EDGE. The former can begin to disrupt in less time than it takes for an EDGE to get around the T, and have the added benefit of forcing the QB to move out and just generally causing the play to break. I don't feel like we have to come away with an EDGE in Round 1 with either of our picks. If a guy at the position really is the best player/value, by all means, but I'm not seeing it as a must. Yes and no. It's still a premium position, but that's more a testament to how important interior pressure is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillparsi1 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Watching USC right now (not worth my or anybody's time). Get the impression Michael Pittman Jr. could go pro early, esp with the team doing so poorly. Physical freak, feel like he could be a fun day 2 guy. I know we just took 3 H-W-S guys so not necessarily for us, but for others. Guy is just a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Pack currently looking at the 13th overall pick if Philly loses to New Orleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Just now, TheOnlyThing said: Pack currently looking at the 13th overall pick if Philly loses to New Orleans. 19 spots hurts, but the Super Bowl win will make that 19 spot swing tolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoekd0250 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Really like christian wilkes. He can play ss too. https://youtu.be/I000TfYfzxE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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