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1 minute ago, CWood21 said:

That big a fan of Kyler?

I think the thing that Josh Norris does, where a QB is always elevated to the top of whatever tier he grades in, is reasonable.  Quarterbacks transcend the normal positional value calculations.

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59 minutes ago, deathstar said:

I do believe we'll see two trade ups with both of our first rounders. I don't know if we'd give up a second to do it though.

We haven't done it since Ted took over, but you think we're going to do it twice?  Can I get odds on that?

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I think if Burns is there at 12, you take him for, if any reason other than BPA, is that he's insurance in case one of our FA signings busts. In a perfect world, we could trade back with Washington and still get him at 15... Additionally, I'm seeing other names being thrown around here that could possibly be had at 30 as well. JMO

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56 minutes ago, rcon14 said:

I think something I could be interested in as well as some pick swaps. Say with NYG (just as an example):

12, 75, 118

17, 37

Using the TV chart (which I'm not a huge fan of), GB is giving up 1473 and receiving 1480. There are ways, especially with teams that have a multiple picks in a round to get creative with the options. I wouldn't love the idea of trading down just to collect a bunch of 4s and 5s (the draft is mostly four rounds anyway), but maneuvering our way into getting more picks in the 30-70 range would be good, I think.

Don't think we're getting that kind of value.  Last year, the Raiders traded their FRP to Arizona for their FRP, 3rd, and 5th.  Don't see the Giants be willing to deal their SRP for a 3rd and 4th round pick.  Who would they be trading up for that they feel the need to move up?

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43 minutes ago, JaireAlex said:

Can he set the edge? Is he three down? 

 

I don't value a specialist as worthy of a top fifteen pick unless he's a consensus pro bowl prospect. Every year these guys get overdrafts imo and then rarely produce more than a couple seasons. Please I would take Hock ten times out ten over these guys. I'm open to being convinced that I am underrating Burns. Don't get me wrong. I'm just promoting discussion, not giving my "expertise" here.

I mean, then you should be rather on Clelin Ferrell then.

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5 minutes ago, PossibleCabbage said:

I mean, Edge is not a need.  However, no NFL team has enough edge rushers and if you can draft a guy who is appropriate value in slot at a premium position who will contribute immediately (even if it's just in certain packages), you take him.  In this particular case, with Burns, it's pretty clear they are going to bring Z. Smith inside on some downs to rush from the B-gap, and so someone has to play on the outside...

I mean, like you said you can never have enough pass rushers.  And it's not like they can't scheme more pass rushers on the field.  We've already seen Za'Darius Smith on the DL rushing the passer, so when you're going into obvious passing downs you can kick Za'Darius on the line, and move Burns back onto the field.

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2 minutes ago, PossibleCabbage said:

I mean, Edge is not a need.  However, no NFL team has enough edge rushers and if you can draft a guy who is appropriate value in slot at a premium position who will contribute immediately (even if it's just in certain packages, you take him.  In this particular case, with Burns, it's pretty clear they are going to bring Z. Smith inside on some downs to rush from the B-gap, and so someone has to play on the outside...

I totally agree......but I prefer picking up Smith and Smith to the draft here. It's a ton of capital.....that we have largely flushed away in the past because of reaching.

 

 

If Burns is "all that", fine. But he's not a top fifteen pick for me. And no one had him top fifteen a few weeks ago. Many still have him second half round one. I do agree he's number three edge. It's a deep edge class but weak on top talent. And Sweat with a good heart is garbage imo, but folks are putting him tope ten. Ridiculous. 

 

Again, Pettine does NOT value as highly the edge. He just doesn't need it. Wouldn't be surprised if he has Bush ranked over Burns.

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9 minutes ago, JaireAlex said:

As stated, I like no one at 12. This is way worse at the top than last year. All my posts are trying to get a discussion about who is worth the twelve. Maybe Burns is better than I have him.  That's fine. I'd be happy. Just getting a feel for what is worth the twelve. Id rather have more picks. 

 

We need more (top 75) picks and there is some great talent in rounds two and three.

I get being lukewarm on this year's draft class, but not sure this class is significantly worse than last year's.  Last year's top ranked players included a RB (Saquon Barkley), OG (Quenton Nelson), and an EDGE (Bradley Chubb).  This year's top players include a DL (Quinnen Williams) and an EDGE (Nick Bosa).  The EDGE class is particularly deep, although the CB class took a nosedive compared to last year.

Not totally sure I agree with the depth of the class, but I haven't dug too far yet.  If you want an EDGE, you're going to have to take one early.  You can probably lump OT in that as well.

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Just now, cannondale said:

Do we save anything by cutting Daniels ?

I still see Daniels as a player -- not just a contract. He had a down year comparatively. It happens. Injuries happen. But unless you've got high hopes for Adams, Lancaster, Lowry and the rest......we cant be laying everything on our FA guys. Play the Daniels contract out - then decide on him - IMO.

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2 minutes ago, JaireAlex said:

Again, Pettine does NOT value as highly the edge. He just doesn't need it. Wouldn't be surprised if he has Bush ranked over Burns.

I've been hitting this point hard for awhile, but the conundrum I have is who do you pick at 12? Even if you trade back, who takes 12, do you get enough compensation, and then still get the guy you want? That's why I think Burns makes the most sense at 12 unless you think Deionte Thompson is worth it, which he probably is not...

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1 hour ago, JBURGE said:

If we get to 6 and Josh Allen is there I'm making a call. Who is interested in 12 and 44 for Josh Allen?

While I want to stockpile talent for the future and develop them, I'd do that deal.  Our first and our second for a blue chipper at EDGE?  Yah, I'd do that.  I'd also do it for Bosa or Q.

I see where the Giants don't have a third rounder.  Maybe they want as much draft capital as they can get to rebuild that thing.

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7 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

I mean, then you should be rather on Clelin Ferrell then.

Great round two pick. Might be there if he doesn't take the tests too.

 

But we need two OL and a DL, TE, plus a safety (or two) as well as a running back. Pettine wants pass rush from inside....and can get it with sub premium talent. I think Burns is getting overrated. I preferred Watt whom we pass d on for medicals (so they said).

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