Texansfan713 Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Im sorry but I miss Kubiak. We can rag on how Kubiak was and how conservative he was here but he is 10x a better offensive mind than O'Brien. The AFC South back then was tougher than it is now. We had Kevin Walter as our WR2 most of Kubiak's years and we still had a very good offense. O'Brien inherited Kubiak's offensive line and he managed to ruin it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Texansfan713 said: Im sorry but I miss Kubiak. We can rag on how Kubiak was and how conservative he was here but he is 10x a better offensive mind than O'Brien. The AFC South back then was tougher than it is now. We had Kevin Walter as our WR2 most of Kubiak's years and we still had a very good offense. O'Brien inherited Kubiak's offensive line and he managed to ruin it. Kubiak proved the doubters wrong when he won a ring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch1911 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 it's not a HUGE issue, but it does bug me that we have some interior depth issues with Mancz out (concussion) & Kelemete on IR... Two of the better interior OL players on the market were sitting out there (Stefen Wisniewski & Ryan Groy) and now they both signed with other teams (one of which we play on Sunday). It feels like the front office is content with the starting 5 (me likey very much), but squandered a chance to add some quality veterans as insurance. Anyway, my $.02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 10/2/2019 at 10:30 PM, Texansfan713 said: Im sorry but I miss Kubiak. We can rag on how Kubiak was and how conservative he was here but he is 10x a better offensive mind than O'Brien. The AFC South back then was tougher than it is now. We had Kevin Walter as our WR2 most of Kubiak's years and we still had a very good offense. O'Brien inherited Kubiak's offensive line and he managed to ruin it. Kubiak, Shanahan, Shanahan Jr...that fraternity of coaches will always get a pass from me. Dem boys know offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 hours ago, PapaShogun said: Kubiak, Shanahan, Shanahan Jr...that fraternity of coaches will always get a pass from me. Dem boys know offense. They didn't know defense, and that's what got Shanny Sr. kicked out of Denver. Kubiak had to outsource his efforts to Wade Phillips. Not sure who Shanny Jr. has at DC, but that 49ers D looks pretty fierce, so he's doing it right by outsourcing it to someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch1911 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, ET80 said: They didn't know defense, and that's what got Shanny Sr. kicked out of Denver. Kubiak had to outsource his efforts to Wade Phillips. Not sure who Shanny Jr. has at DC, but that 49ers D looks pretty fierce, so he's doing it right by outsourcing it to someone else. Robert Saleh who was with the Texans for like 4-6 years IIRC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 We fired our GM after what’s looking like a really really good draft class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Stallion Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) Cross-post from gameday thread for posterity... Nope - Bob could lose out, miss the playoffs, and be welcomed back with open arms. O'Brien signed an extension thru 2022 last year and it would be completely out of character for Texans ownership to pull the plug before bottoming out, especially since Cal is in O'Brien's hip pocket (witness him firing his handpicked GM 1 year into a 5 year deal). Capers got 4 years, fired after 2-14. No playoffs. Kubiak got 8* years in a 2-14 season. 2x AFC South Championships. 2 playoff wins (both Bengals). *2-11 when mercy firing happened O'Brien is in year 6 having already survived the first bottoming out at 4-12. 3x AFC South Champs. 1 playoff win (vs. Connor Cook). Following the trend line, you should set your watches for the Texans going 2-14 in 2021 to finally end the O'Brien reign of "slightly above average" after 8 seasons and some glorious AFC South participation banners in the rafters. The Watson factor may change the calculus a bit as if he's healthy this team likely has a floor of 7 wins so one of those triggering 2 win seasons, just isn't happening. This is one area where the interests of the team and O'Brien's power grab aligned as he knows that if Watson goes down we're dunzo as is he. If O'Brien actually manages to get a meaningful playoff win this season or next, he buys himself another contract extension. This season that means going on the road to beat Balt, KC, or NE. Obviously we've beaten 2 of those and gotten throttled by the other, but betting against Belichick at home in Jan is an entirely different matter and Reid has curb stomped this team in the playoffs with Alex Smith, Knile Davis. and Spencer Ware. I guess if we lose twice to Tenn, but beat Tampa we could end up with a rubber match with Tenn in Jan, but going 1-2 vs. Tenn isn't going to win us any credibility points even if the 1 is in the playoffs. If anything an actually legit playoff win (Connor Cook game was a bye week) would raise expectations for the Texans being favorites for finally taking the next step in 2020, which is where I see it crumbling down. Watson's top 20 money will kick in in 2021 and after Mahomes becomes the highest paid player in history, Watson will clock in a shade under him - my bet is $40 million+ per season, most of it guaranteed like the Cousins deal. Although the o-line will likely be solid assuming we don't screw up a Tunsil deal, and Hopkins has all the makings of a player who will still be effective past 35, but Watt will be on his last legs by then and there isn't a defensive star to be found aside from maybe Justin Reid. Throwing away the 2020 draft will show up in 2021 especially if we get back to back throwaways like 2015 & 16 led to the 2016 collapse 12 & 13 led to 2013. (don't judge Rick Smith draft classes by the first round - 1 player doesn't make a draft (franchise QB aside) - missing on 6-7 critical other low cost pieces creates roster holes impossible to fill). My bet is that a combo of raised expectations plus finishing behind Reich and Vrabel in the division could make a post 2020 firing possible even with a Fisher-esque 7-9 finish, but I think it would take another 4 win season to really do the trick (likely meaning Watson got hurt). If we miss the playoffs this year, RAC will take the bullet (which may happen anyway despite him doing some remarkable work with replacement level talent). If we miss next year, Bob likely gets something taken away like bringing in a legit OC or a real GM. HC's rarely go into a lame duck season without a new deal, but I'm betting he gets a token 1-2 year extension after 2021 if he's still around. In short, O'Brien is bullet-proof after this season, might get a chink in his armor next, but I don't see him taking any major damage until 2021. At this point, I'm past rooting for his firing as it means Watson has gone down and I'm just hopeful that Watson/Nuk and a castmate manage to string together a playoff run in spite of him. I think the chances are better of O'Brien's ego causing some sort of implosion or higher profile career move (Pats, Notre Dame?). Wouldn't it be ironic if some team had to pay draft picks to take O'Brien from us. That is my best-case scenario at this point! Edited December 14, 2019 by Apollo Stallion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 We can go 8-8 with 4 straight blow outs to end the season and BOB will not even be on a warm seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 BOB and Vrabel are good friends. BOB said they talk weekly but that this week Vrabel hasn’t answered his calls. This sums up BOBs coaching career nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Have y’all seen the video that’s out with BOB going off on a fan after the broncos loss. The fan yells “you suck” and BOB calls him a mother Fer and tell him he Fing sucks too. I hate this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Pastor Dillon said: Have y’all seen the video that’s out with BOB going off on a fan after the broncos loss. The fan yells “you suck” and BOB calls him a mother Fer and tell him he Fing sucks too. I hate this guy. I'll be honest... I actually like him more after this. For reference: https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/10/bill-obrien-houston-texans-heckler-rant-broncos-nfl/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 i mean im fine with it, lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, ET80 said: I'll be honest... I actually like him more after this. For reference: https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/10/bill-obrien-houston-texans-heckler-rant-broncos-nfl/ I’m not. He sucks and a fan yelled that out after an embarrassing loss and his response is way out of line with what rational people should do. The league should fine him for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: I’m not. He sucks and a fan yelled that out after an embarrassing loss and his response is way out of line with what rational people should do. The league should fine him for it. i mean its not rational, its emotional. They arent robots out there. I'm sure he'll get fined but out of all the things I'm not a fan of, this really isnt a big deal for me. At least he didnt clobber the fan over the head with a helmet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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