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Bill O'Brien Hot Seat Thread V.2

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1 hour ago, TitanLegend said:

Is keeping Romeo Crennel not a realistic option for the next HC?

Oh goodness, no - he's just as much a culprit to this debacle as O'Brien is. This defense has a load of high priced FAs and high draft picks, but the defense is a big reason we haven't won much this season. I'd argue that its underachieved more than our offense.

Romeo should be shown the door at the end of the season with OB.

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17 hours ago, ET80 said:

Oh goodness, no - he's just as much a culprit to this debacle as O'Brien is. This defense has a load of high priced FAs and high draft picks, but the defense is a big reason we haven't won much this season. I'd argue that its underachieved more than our offense.

Romeo should be shown the door at the end of the season with OB.

Romeo should be the coach for the last few games after BOB is shown the door early. The colts game didnt cool his seat, maybe a 35-17 win would have, but the way we blew the lead, and the way dallas will beat us on prime time, might be enough to get him fired at the bye week. 

There should be no way we are 2-7 at the bye and BOB continues to coach.

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4 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said:

Romeo should be the coach for the last few games after BOB is shown the door early. The colts game didnt cool his seat, maybe a 35-17 win would have, but the way we blew the lead, and the way dallas will beat us on prime time, might be enough to get him fired at the bye week. 

There should be no way we are 2-7 at the bye and BOB continues to coach.

I'm perfectly fine with giving the reigns to Sean Ryan for the season once Romeo and OB are out. It wouldn't be the first time this city had a position coach pushed into an interim HC job - Jeff Fisher, anyone? That worked out pretty well for the Oilers/Titans back then. Who knows, we might stumble across our HC for the next decade with such a bold move.

If you're purging staff, purge staff. See if you have a diamond in the rough vs expecting Romeo to succeed where he's failed multiple times (Cleveland, KC).

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18 hours ago, ET80 said:

Oh goodness, no - he's just as much a culprit to this debacle as O'Brien is. This defense has a load of high priced FAs and high draft picks, but the defense is a big reason we haven't won much this season. I'd argue that its underachieved more than our offense.

Romeo should be shown the door at the end of the season with OB.

I figured some form of leeway would be given for the struggles this year given he's ridiculous track record of success as a DC in the league, but he is 71.

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1 minute ago, TitanLegend said:

I figured some form of leeway would be given for the struggles this year given he's ridiculous track record of success as a DC in the league, but he is 71.

He's got some health problems, too - not too hard to see, but I remember him resigning to a lesser role as a Defensive Consultant for Mike Vrabel.

I'd like to think he's going to get something going with this unit, and maybe he might. But it remains: He's got a ton of experienced talent, All Pro/Pro Bowl calibur guys at all three levels and the defense is simply unable to stop anyone.

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2 minutes ago, tannenballs said:

What are the keys to the Bill O'Brien Offense?

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this guy has jokes. Love it. 

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11 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said:

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this guy has jokes. Love it. 

Not joking. Was curious about what the key concepts and core plays are for O'Brien. 

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1 hour ago, tannenballs said:

What are the keys to the Bill O'Brien Offense?

- Run on 1st down (out of the shotgun)

- Either run out of shotgun or WR screen on 2nd down.

- Seven step drop and deep in routes on 3rd down.

- Punt.

That's about 75% of the game plan. The other 25% is Run/Pass option or designed QB runs to the edge.

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3 hours ago, tannenballs said:

Not joking. Was curious about what the key concepts and core plays are for O'Brien. 

Sorry dude, the fanbase is a bit salty about genius Bo'B and his latest 1 for 6 red zone abomination this week.  The general feeling is that O'Brien's key concept is to suck all life out of his offense in the first half trying to establish his 190 lb square peg in a round hole filled with 340lb DT's run game, unleash Watson to freelance for quarter and a half, then find new and innovative ways to crush our souls in the final 2 minutes.  The core plays are the run up the middle, punt inside opponent territory, field goals inside the 5, and the post-game "I gotta call better plays" defense.

Trying to steer away from complete sarcasm, here's how I would describe the Bill O'Brien offense:

  • Supposedly this is a revamped playbook built to cater to Watson's strengths after he absolutely tore up the league his healthy 6 weeks last year largely with improvisation, but through 5 weeks it seems as if it's the same stale Fitz, Hogan, Osweiler, Savage 2014-2017 milquetoast, but with Watson livening things up by keeping plays alive and Nuk, Fuller, and now Coutee making things happen with their hands and wheels. Basically, I think he just removed the fullback, some of the more complicated stuff that required an Ivy League degree to make pre-snap adjustments to just run up the middle again and threw in some designed runs that he still calls with a QB coming off and ACL and probably serious rib/sternum/lung issues now.  Oh yes, same o-line coach, 4 new low rent lineman with 2 more rotated in, same horrific pass protection, same fundamental flaws in technique, same inability to pick up a blitz, same decision to haphazardly flip left-side lineman to the right, same pre-snap penalties and crippling holding calls, same complete inability to open a hole at any level. 
  • CONSERVATIVE - 70's style run-run-pass to #1 WR.  Runs are almost exclusively between the tackles despite having an interior line in Fulton, Kelemete, and Martin who are not good run blockers.  Sadly, this is actually an improvement as XSF and Allen could neither pass protect or run block the past two years.  Lamar Miller showed renewed burst in the preseason, but he doesn't have holes to burst thru, runs unbalanced, falls on first contact, and now has broken ribs.  Blue has one 15-20 yard run in him every 15-20 carries and while he has looked more spry this year than the past several, he is the must stuff-prone runner in the league as he has no patience or vision and runs up the back of his lineman setting up 2nd and 9 more often than not.   Bo'Bs stuck in the "run to set up the pass" mindset despite it usually just setting up 3rd and long.  2nd down has become the RPO, designed run "wrinkle down" which are poorly designed to get Watson pounded by LBs on the perimeter a few extra times per game to break up the 15 times he's hit by lineman.  The commitment to the run seemingly is done out of rote habit/duty to start every drive vs. any strategic purpose to the extent that he'll still run on 1st down late in the game in the 2 minute drill killing off precious downs and seconds for 2 yard gains. 
  • Passing game lives off 10 yard outs to Hopkins on the sideline and Watson scrambling on 3rd downs.  Fuller used to be all go routes and post patterns, but we worked him underneath a bit more the first few weeks before Coutee showed up.  TE's are good for a long gain or two every game down the seam, but Watson ignores them as chain movers as throwing down the middle under pressure isn't advise and we are in 3rd and long ALOT.  The screen and bubble screens have been a staple of this offense for 5 years and I can count the number of times they didn't lead to a loss or 1 yard gain on 3rd and 8 on one hand.  Much of the success in the passing game is due to extraordinary effort from Hopkins on ordinary slants like the past two winning drives.  Worst pass protection in the league means Watson is rarely going thru progressions, but running for his life and dumping it off or launching deep. Don't let the stats fool you as the yardage totals are nice, but massive chunks of it have been in late game comeback situations going off script.
  • KeeKee Coutee - this is the one true innovation this year.  Despite the NE roots of O'Brien's offense, the slot has been a wasteland for 4 years and 3 weeks, but Coutee has brought a fresh dynamic and has been used as essentially the run game the past two weeks.  Jet sweeps have worked. Shovel passes have worked.   Dude has been a target machine with plays clearly designed to get the ball out quick and generate YAC.  Wes Welker for OC please!
  • Predictability - almost everything that works is because it's a tendency breaker as 90% is "by the book" on down and distance.  Invariably the rare 1st down passes successful or not are followed by runs up the middle.  Productive runs are always followed by another less successful one.  3rd and long in own territory is always a safe short of the sticks pass to a RB or TE.  2nd and short is always a run to move the chains rather than an attempt for a kill shot. The rare plays we haven't seen before almost always come on 1st downs to start a drive in our territory, never 7 plays into a drive to finish it off.   O'Brien gets completely lost after long plays usually leading to momentum killing time outs or delays of game.  First half is a hyper hyper conservative pile of dust fest leading to the 2nd half being pass-sack-pass-int-pass extravaganza.   
  • Red Zone absurdity.  I'll just let this week speak for itself. BTW - before you go thinking O'Brien is some sort of innovator for running shotgun from the 1, the past 4 years it was run into a pile 3 times (or sometimes 4)  in a row with a fullback and smallish HB.  And then there was the 4th and goal from the 1 fade.  This is an o-line that will never impose it's will on people, so some deception is required, but the plays are so blatantly telegraphed there isn't a person in the building who doesn't know exactly what is coming - e.g. Watson in shotgun every down, but coming under center the one time we try to sneak it. 
    • 1st and GOAL at DAL 6, 7:33 left in 2Q
      1st-Goal at 6 - Alfred Blue -3 yard run
      2nd-Goal at 9 - Dehsaun Watson 2 yard scramble (shotgun)
      3rd-Goal at 7 - Deshaun Watson incomplete pass to Tyler Ervin (shotgun)
      4th-Goal at 7 - Ka'imi Fairbairn 20 yard FG

      1st and GOAL at DAL 9, 0:29 left in 2Q
      1st-Goal at 9 - Deshaun Watson incomplete to Ryan Griffin (shotgun)
      2nd-Goal at 9 - Deshaun Watson incomplete to DeAndre Hopkins (shotgun)
      3rd-Goal at 9 - Deshaun Watson complete to Hopkins 8 yards (shotgun)
      4tth-Goal at 1 - Deshaun Watson scramble for -1 yard (shotgun)

      1st and GOAL at DAL 4, 5:47 left in 3Q
      1st-Goal at 4 - Deshaun Watson incomplete to DeAndre Hopkins (shotgun)
      2nd-Goal at 4 - Deshaun Watson 1 yard designed run to left (shotgun)
      3rd-Goal at 3 - Deshaun Watson incomplete to Ryan Griffin (shotgun)
      4th-Goal at 3 - Ka'imi Fairbairn 21 yard FG
    •  
    • 1st and GOAL at DAL 1, 10:01 left in 4Q
      1st-Goal at 1 - Alfred Blue rush, no gain (shotgun)
      2nd-Goal at 1 - Deshaun Watson QB sneak, no gain
      3rd-Goal at 1 - Deshaun Watson incomplete to Ryan Griffin (shotgun)
      4th-Goal at 1 - Ka'imi Fairbairn 19 yard FG

Hey - you asked, buddy.

Edited by Apollo Stallion

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On 10/12/2018 at 12:16 AM, Texansfan713 said:

 

Ryan Clark is speaking straight facts. 

I think this is what's gonna get it done. BOB has had a hot seat before, but have you ever heard a coach get this evicerated after a WIN?

People could justify bad decisions if you won, but BOB isn't getting that anymore. If McNair doesn't do something, then the heat is on HIM for being oblivious to the state of the team.

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The next two weeks will tell the tale. If we beat the bills and then go beat the Jags to get to 4-3, then BOBs seat will be a lot cooler. We would probably be sitting in 1st at that point too and we have a really easy schedule this season. I can still see us going 10-6 but there is little margin for error. 

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Somehow despite being a sorry mess of a team, we're tied for the division lead coming into next week.

Because we can't rid ourselves of O'Brien - that'd be far too easy.

Edited by Longhorns90

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25 minutes ago, Longhorns90 said:

Somehow despite being a sorry mess of a team, we're tied for the division lead coming into next week.

Because we can't rid ourselves of O'Brien - that'd be far too easy.

So much for this "the AFC South has arrived" talk. The division is just as much a mess as it was in 2015.

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