pnies20 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 What if the Browns win Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, pnies20 said: What if the Browns win Sunday? Ummmmm that is almost a given with your top notch defense and Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gannon12 said: Ummmmm that is almost a given with your top notch defense and Mayfield Nah bruh. Nothing is a given in Cleveland sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 minute ago, pnies20 said: Nah bruh. Nothing is a given in Cleveland sports. We have been the reverse Cleveland and I go to Oakland a lot and it is very similar run down ghost factories crappy teams except basketball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, pnies20 said: Nah bruh. Nothing is a given in Cleveland sports. You have an extremely more talented team and an excellent QB with a top defense vs the quick start and fold Raiders. I’m not going to hold my breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 hours ago, G said: I don't think hiring Gruden is a mistake. It was the contract 10 year/100 million that was the mistake. Gave him too much comfort to trade Mack and not worry about winning now, THAT was a mistake. i read that Davis is one of the nfl poorest owner worth around 400 million guy gave him a contract thats almost 20% of his net wealth this will not end well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 40 minutes ago, Vladimir L said: worth around 400 million That's not true. Especially with the LV move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erurtaza Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 John middlekauff has been saying this since the draft. Gruden just needs to clear the front office hire some one he trusts whos able to disagree with Gruden and it be listened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, 49erurtaza said: John middlekauff has been saying this since the draft. Gruden just needs to clear the front office hire some one he trusts whos able to disagree with Gruden and it be listened. All Gruden is doing is evaluating talent for the year not even sure he cares if he wins this year. He has 10 years or a lot of money if released he has the keys now and he is just seeing what he has this year to put his team together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I’ll add not fun for us fans but I hope we re-sign Bryant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, pnies20 said: Nah bruh. Nothing is a given in Cleveland sports. Drinking is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just a couple thoughts on this from a Raiders fan perspective. 1) The article doesn't even look professional. Literally looks like a kindergartner threw this together with the only 'fact' being that Jon was responsible for the Khalil Mack trade, which... we all knew out of the gate. 2) Winning cures everything. There are guys in the scouting department who feel under valued because the new 10 million dollar man brought in his own guys? I say show me the rat. Who is talking or leaking things to the media? At this point, Jon deserves to bring in his people who he trusts to help him make football decisions. Even when they are bad ones. Mark did give him the keys and the money. 3) Honestly at this point, us Raider fans don't have much of a choice but to set sail on this ship to Vegas with Gruden. If it sinks, it sinks. If it doesn't, hopefully it doesn't, maybe he can turn us into a respectable franchise in a year or two. 4) Reggie is as good as gone. If I am doing a job (Poorly IMO) and my boss hires someone to fill my shoes PLUS another position, I am out. I am looking for my next landing spot. To the outside fans, I say this.. I have been a Raider fan as far back as I can remember. I have seen some troubling times. But I have NEVER been more disappointed than this season starting with the draft. Reggie has NEVER gotten good value for his trade backs. Then trying to force feed us that Miller was "our guy", no. He wasn't. But he is doing well. It just boggles my mind that Derwin James was there for the taking and we didn't pull the trigger. After the first round, its not all bad. Then the Mack trade, cutting Bryant the same day, albeit for contract reasons... it all just kinda hit hard and sucked. Not even going to bring up the McCarron trade the same day as the last two issues. But to go 0-3 with a guy who traded your best player, threw the GM under the bus by saying "I had nothing to do with the 2nd we gave up", to follow that up by saying "Its hard to find a great edge rusher" GFY Jon. G.F.Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigInBoys Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 Not sure if anyone is paying attention but it's not really an article, it's just referencing this brief report by Rapoport, one of the most respected NFL Insiders: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000964848/article/grudens-scouting-system-led-to-divide-in-building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Ketchup said: When the rumors of GB getting Mack came out, I was against it. The fact that we would have had to give up a lot of premium draft capital on top of fitting his contract on the books with Rodgers’, I just thought it best to pass. With Oakland, all they had to do was make the salary work because he was already on the team. You make it work. More and more pretty reliable reports have been coming out that it wasnt about the contract but about Davis' cash flow issues. He simply couldn't afford to put the guaranteed money in escrow, and Gruden has had to take the bullet for Davis bc of it. Gruden somewhat told you that himself when he said their best offer wasnt even close to the Bears'. Essentially the most cash poor owner in the NFL put out nearly half a billion dollars this year and couldn't afford another $100M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Can't say I didn't see this coming. Wasn't high on Carr after his one or two big seasons and wasn't high on the Gruden signing. They better hit homeruns on these draft picks the next few years or Gruden might not make it to the half way point of his deal. I had that opinion before the season even started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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