GSUeagles14 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: CMac had a really impressive game this week...broke 5 tackles. Kamara broke 19 tackles this week. im sorry, i thought it was implied i meant a legit argument. or you just gonna stick with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, GSUeagles14 said: im sorry, i thought it was implied i meant a legit argument. or you just gonna stick with this? I’m sorry...I don’t know that we were only allowed to use subjective nonsense with a built in agenda. I’ll never use real statistics ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: I’m sorry...I don’t know that we were only allowed to use subjective nonsense with a built in agenda. I’ll never use real statistics ever again. so you think thats a good argumnet as to why kamara better, one fairly small facet in one game? How does that negate everything that ET put out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: so you think thats a good argumnet as to why kamara better, one fairly small facet in one game? How does that negate everything that ET put out? I gave you an objective attribute that Kamara earns for himself. Force missed tackles are earned by the player, not by the scheme, coach, QB, or OL. I’m a big believer in CMac. So I’m sure you’ll have no problem producing something objective that points toward CMac being better that cannot be attributed to scheme, coach, QB, or OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 52 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: I gave you an objective attribute that Kamara earns for himself. Force missed tackles are earned by the player, not by the scheme, coach, QB, or OL. I’m a big believer in CMac. So I’m sure you’ll have no problem producing something objective that points toward CMac being better that cannot be attributed to scheme, coach, QB, or OL. you gotta do better man. If you want to go this route, broken tackles can be subjective, they certainly arent all the same and are driven by opportunity. CMC has outperformed kamara, period. Hes dones so with a disadvantage at coach, qb, surrounding talent, etc. This is over a significant sample size (19 games). If you think that broken tackles in one game or in general is a solid argument to show that kamaras better, just know that youd be in the vast minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: you gotta do better man. If you want to go this route, broken tackles can be subjective, they certainly arent all the same and are driven by opportunity. CMC has outperformed kamara, period. Hes dones so with a disadvantage at coach, qb, surrounding talent, etc. This is over a significant sample size (19 games). If you think that broken tackles in one game or in general is a solid argument to show that kamaras better, just know that youd be in the vast minority. I’ll do better once you do...something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: I’ll do better once you do...something. pretty sure i pointed out, and then pointed to et pointing out that cmc has simply outproduced him. Have you missed that, seems like itd be pretty hard as its been multiple times over the last 5 pages or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: pretty sure i pointed out, and then pointed to et pointing out that cmc has simply outproduced him. Have you missed that, seems like itd be pretty hard as its been multiple times over the last 5 pages or so. So stats that are heavily dictated by usage, scheme, and blocking are your answer. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, sammymvpknight said: So stats that are heavily dictated by usage, scheme, and blocking are your answer. Gotcha. yup, those stats are exactly my answer. some may call them reality, but why let that get in the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCena Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Love Kamara he's special easily a Top 3 RB I'd say. But man my favorite RB coming out of college and throughout the NFL over the time he's played has been Christian McCaffery. Guy is a stud I think he'll really take off this year. Him and Luke Kuechly are the only two guys worth watching on the Panthers right now, Panthers should just trade them both over to the Patriots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Per Gregg Rosenthal on NFL.com: “Running back Alvin Kamara is an alien sent to our land to test the boundaries of balance, power and resourcefulness.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 The first of hopefully many more years to come for this thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 15 hours ago, sammymvpknight said: So stats that are heavily dictated by usage, scheme, and blocking are your answer. Gotcha. Are you implying McCaffrey benefits from better scheme and blocking than Kamara? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 18 hours ago, sammymvpknight said: Here’s a video that demonstrates defenders trying to tackle Kamara. Meaning he gets back up and keeps running even though the play is over? Sounds like a waste of energy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, iknowcool said: Are you implying McCaffrey benefits from better scheme and blocking than Kamara? Of course not. CMac is a stud. I’m simply explaining that you can’t simply use generalized statistics to compare the ability of players. I was encouraging the guy to give me something objective and less prone to multi variables than stats. Again...he can’t because he’s not willing to put in the work to do it. It’s there...but it’s lazy box score analysis. When Kamara was producing more than CMac his first season, it was do to his conditions...but now that it’s the other way around it’s justifiable. It’s laziness and inconsistency that makes this annoying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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