RSkinGM Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I was so happy when we drafted this guy. Thought we had the best wideout in the draft with the 22 nd overall pick. Are there any trade for wide receivers out there before the deadline . We need help ! Oh yeah- The label says BUST . sadly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: I was so happy when we drafted this guy. Thought we had the best wideout in the draft with the 22 nd overall pick. Are there any trade for wide receivers out there before the deadline . We need help ! Oh yeah- The label says BUST . sadly . Nope. We ride him this year and then trade him in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: I was so happy when we drafted this guy. Thought we had the best wideout in the draft with the 22 nd overall pick. Are there any trade for wide receivers out there before the deadline . We need help ! Oh yeah- The label says BUST . sadly . Another WR isn't necessary IMO. If we're winning games this year it'll be on a strong run game and good defense. That appears to be the identity our coaching staff is shooting for (and personally I like this strategy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezy Fanatic Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Redskin Day 1 (First 3 rounds) Receivers of the Last 15 years: Taylor Jacobs - 37 Receptions / 315 Yards / 2 TDs Devin Thomas - 40 receptions / 455 Yards / 3 TDs Malcolm Kelly - 28 receptions / 365 Yards / 0 TDs Leonard Hankerson - 81 receptions / 1081 Yards / 6 TDs Josh Doctson - 42 Receptions / 616 Yards / 6 TDs Maybe we just stick to FA and fliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted September 24, 2018 Author Share Posted September 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jeezy Fanatic said: Redskin Day 1 (First 3 rounds) Receivers of the Last 3 years: Taylor Jacobs - 37 Receptions / 315 Yards / 2 TDs Devin Thomas - 40 receptions / 455 Yards / 3 TDs Malcolm Kelly - 28 receptions / 365 Yards / 0 TDs Leonard Hankerson - 81 receptions / 1081 Yards / 6 TDs Josh Doctson - 42 Receptions / 616 Yards / 6 TDs Maybe we just stick to FA and fliers. Desmond Howard . 2 first round picks . BUST ! Do we have to go back to Art Monk for a successful Rd 1 wideout pick ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 56 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: Are there any trade for wide receivers out there before the deadline . We need help ! The one guy that came to mind when I gave this some thought was Pierre Garçon. The Niners are dead in the water with Jimmy G out for the year. They really should be in full tank mode at this point. A 32-year-old WR has almost literally no value to them, especially when you consider what they’re paying him. I’d think we could get him for almost literally nothing at this point, even just taking on his salary for the season to save their ownership some cash would seem to be enough value. But we could throw in a conditional 6th or 7th to get it done maybe. I assume we’d cut him after the year to save salary cap space unless he really played well for us. And I’m not really sure he would even be worth the investment of this year’s salary at this point. But he was always great at making the tough catch, at running after the catch, and at blocking valiantly on the outside. And he knows what we’re doing here in terms of our system, for the most part. I think I’d prefer him to Michael Floyd by a wide margin if we’re going to have a veteran in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezy Fanatic Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: Desmond Howard . 2 first round picks . BUST ! Do we have to go back to Art Monk for a successful Rd 1 wideout pick ? Michael Westbrook and Rod Gardner both are better than anyone listed, but also neither became franchise corner stones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jeezy Fanatic said: Redskin Day 1 (First 3 rounds) Receivers of the Last 3 years: Taylor Jacobs - 37 Receptions / 315 Yards / 2 TDs Devin Thomas - 40 receptions / 455 Yards / 3 TDs Malcolm Kelly - 28 receptions / 365 Yards / 0 TDs Leonard Hankerson - 81 receptions / 1081 Yards / 6 TDs Josh Doctson - 42 Receptions / 616 Yards / 6 TDs Maybe we just stick to FA and fliers. You didn't go back far enough. From drafthistory.com, since Joe Gibbs' rookie year (Art Monk was drafted in 1980, Ricky Sanders was drafted by the New England as part of the USFL dispersal draft and was later traded to Washington): WR 2018 7 38 256 Trey Quinn Southern Methodist 2017 6 25 209 Robert Davis Georgia State 2016 1 22 22 Josh Doctson Texas Christian 2015 4 6 105 Jamison Crowder Duke 2015 6 11 187 Evan Spencer Ohio State 2014 5 2 142 Ryan Grant Tulane 2011 3 15 79 Leonard Hankerson Miami (FL) 2011 5 24 155 Niles Paul Nebraska 2011 6 13 178 Aldrick Robinson Southern Methodist 2010 7 12 219 Terrence Austin UCLA 2009 7 34 243 Marko Mitchell Nevada 2008 2 3 34 Devin Thomas Michigan State 2008 2 20 51 Malcolm Kelly Oklahoma 2003 2 12 44 Taylor Jacobs Florida 2002 3 22 87 Cliff Russell Utah 2001 1 15 15 Rod Gardner Clemson 2001 5 23 154 Darnerian McCants Delaware State 2000 7 44 250 Ethan Howell Oklahoma State 1999 7 11 217 Tim Alexander Oregon State 1998 6 17 170 Patrick Palmer Northwestern State (LA) 1997 4 19 115 Albert Connell Texas A&M 1996 7 41 250 DeAndre Maxwell San Diego State 1995 1 4 4 Michael Westbrook Colorado 1994 3 3 68 Tydus Winans Fresno State 1992 1 4 4 Desmond Howard Michigan 1992 11 28 308 Terry Smith Penn State 1991 12 20 326 Keenan McCardell UNLV 1989 4 26 110 Erik Affholter USC 1987 10 23 274 Ted Wilson Central Florida 1987 11 25 304 Laron Brown Texas 1986 2 18 45 Walter Murray Hawaii 1986 12 18 323 Eric Yarber Idaho 1985 7 9 177 Jamie Harris Oklahoma State 1984u 2 27 55 Gary Clark James Madison 1984u 3 27 83 Clarence Verdin Southwestern Louisiana 1984 7 27 195 Mark Smith North Carolina 1984 12 27 335 Curtland Thomas Missouri 1982 3 6 61 Carl Powell Jackson State 1981 8 8 201 Charlie Brown South Carolina State 1981 11 8 284 Jerry Hill North Alabama Pieces of trivia: In terms of top 50 career receiving yards for Washington, the only players that the Redskins have drafted in the modern free agency era (1994 onward) are: TE Chris Cooley (4711 yards, 9th, 2004 3.18 (81)) WR Michael Westbrook (4280 yards, 11th, 1.04 (4)) WR Rod Gardner (2997 yards, 14th, 2001 1.15 (15)) TE Jordan Reed (2981 yards, 15th, 2013 3.23 (85)) [as of right now] WR Albert Connell (2483 yards, 20th, 1997 4.19 (115)) WR Jamison Crowder (2319 yards, 22nd, 2015 4.06 (105)) [as of right now] TE Fred Davis (2043 yards, 28th, 2008 2.17 (48)) RB Ladell Betts (1505 yards, 40th, 2002 2.24 (56)) In terms of top 50 career receptions for Washington in the free agency era: TE Chris Cooley (429 receptions, 5th, 2004 3.18 (81)) TE Jordan Reed (289 receptions, 10th, 3.23 (85)) WR Michael Westbrook (277 receptions, 11th, 1.04 (4)) WR Rod Gardner (227 receptions, 16th, 2001 1.15 (15)) WR Jamison Crowder (201 receptions, 19th, 2015 4.06 (105)) [as of right now] RB Ladell Betts (165 receptions, 25th, 2002 2.24 (56)) TE Fred Davis (162 receptions, 26th, 2008 2.17 (48)) RB Chris Thompson (149 receptions, 29th-T, 2013 5.21 (154)) RB Stephen Davis (146 receptions, 31st-T, 1996 4.07 (102)) WR Albert Connell (138 receptions, 35th, 1997 4.19 (115)) TE Jamie Asher (133 receptions, 38th-T, 1995 5.03 (137)) RB Roy Helu (129 receptions, 42nd, 2011 4.08 (105)) TE Stephen Alexander (122 receptions, 48th, 1998 2.18 (48)) 23 wide receivers were drafted in the free agency era. Four qualify for top 50 status with the franchise. By comparison, 13 TEs were taken (3 crack top 50 yards, 5 crack top 50 receptions) and 17 RBs were taken (1 cracks top 50 yards, 4 crack top 50 receptions). Those numbers includes guys like Derrius Guice and Trey Quinn who were drafted this year. The next five "best" drafted wide receivers Receptions Ryan Grant: 64th-T at 84 receptions Leonard Hankerson: 67th at 81 receptions Darnerian McCants: 90th at 53 receptions Devin Thomas: 110th-T at 40 receptions Taylor Jacobs: 134th-T at 30 receptions Yards Leonard Hankerson: 65th at 1081 yards Ryan Grant: 70th at 985 yards Darnerian McCants: 90th at 687 yards Devin Thomas: 118th at 445 yards Tydus Winans: 122nd at 421 yards In short, it doesn't really matter when the Redskins draft receivers. Generally speaking, they suck (Crowder being the very notable exception). It's pathetic that the franchise's best two receivers in the past 25 years are considered first round busts (they only got that high up the lists because they were first round picks and were given extra time to play). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, Jeezy Fanatic said: Michael Westbrook and Rod Gardner both are better than anyone listed, but also neither became franchise corner stones Just beat me to the punch! Grrr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, e16bball said: The one guy that came to mind when I gave this some thought was Pierre Garçon. The Niners are dead in the water with Jimmy G out for the year. They really should be in full tank mode at this point. A 32-year-old WR has almost literally no value to them, especially when you consider what they’re paying him. I’d think we could get him for almost literally nothing at this point, even just taking on his salary for the season to save their ownership some cash would seem to be enough value. But we could throw in a conditional 6th or 7th to get it done maybe. I assume we’d cut him after the year to save salary cap space unless he really played well for us. And I’m not really sure he would even be worth the investment of this year’s salary at this point. But he was always great at making the tough catch, at running after the catch, and at blocking valiantly on the outside. And he knows what we’re doing here in terms of our system, for the most part. I think I’d prefer him to Michael Floyd by a wide margin if we’re going to have a veteran in the room. Garcon would be a solid addition, his run blocking would help too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, MKnight82 said: Just now, e16bball said: The one guy that came to mind when I gave this some thought was Pierre Garçon. The Niners are dead in the water with Jimmy G out for the year. They really should be in full tank mode at this point. A 32-year-old WR has almost literally no value to them, especially when you consider what they’re paying him. I’d think we could get him for almost literally nothing at this point, even just taking on his salary for the season to save their ownership some cash would seem to be enough value. But we could throw in a conditional 6th or 7th to get it done maybe. I assume we’d cut him after the year to save salary cap space unless he really played well for us. And I’m not really sure he would even be worth the investment of this year’s salary at this point. But he was always great at making the tough catch, at running after the catch, and at blocking valiantly on the outside. And he knows what we’re doing here in terms of our system, for the most part. I think I’d prefer him to Michael Floyd by a wide margin if we’re going to have a veteran in the room. Garcon would be a solid addition, his run blocking would help too. The question would be: given how he was treated here on the way out, would he want to come to DC again or would he just threaten to retire (or go through with it, if he was traded)? Would the Redskins (Jay Gruden in particular) want him back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I wouldn’t be interested in trading for Garçon. If we had re-signed him a few years sure I’d be happy he was here. But, I’m not interested in giving up a draft pick for a WR coming off a season ending neck injury from last year who is 32 and frankly hasn’t done any thing in San Fran last year or with Garapollo throwing him the ball this year. He has yet to score a touchdown in San Fran in 11 games and only has 7 recs for 89 yards this season with no TDs this year. We need to ride this Doctson thing out, at least for this season. It’s clear he and Alex haven’t found chemistry yet. Well, correct me if I’m wrong but, wasn’t it the same way with Kirk and Doctson last year the first month or so? Then, the last 3 months or so of the year Kirk & Doctson developed more chemistry. The same could happen this year, I don’t know, no one knows at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mar29020 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 i think doc needs more 50/50 deep balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, mar29020 said: i think doc needs more 50/50 deep balls. This is so much more interesting/amusing to contemplate if you assume "doc" is @Doc Draper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, e16bball said: The one guy that came to mind when I gave this some thought was Pierre Garçon. The Niners are dead in the water with Jimmy G out for the year. They really should be in full tank mode at this point. A 32-year-old WR has almost literally no value to them, especially when you consider what they’re paying him. I’d think we could get him for almost literally nothing at this point, even just taking on his salary for the season to save their ownership some cash would seem to be enough value. But we could throw in a conditional 6th or 7th to get it done maybe. I assume we’d cut him after the year to save salary cap space unless he really played well for us. And I’m not really sure he would even be worth the investment of this year’s salary at this point. But he was always great at making the tough catch, at running after the catch, and at blocking valiantly on the outside. And he knows what we’re doing here in terms of our system, for the most part. I think I’d prefer him to Michael Floyd by a wide margin if we’re going to have a veteran in the room. Good idea here. However, I doubt they would do a trade with this organization any time soon after the way Dan/Bruce made it publicly known they would do anything possible to avoid trading Kirk to the 9ers, even if it meant only getting a 3rd round comp pick in 2019 (lo and behold...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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