Heimdallr Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, vike daddy said: Chad Graff @ChadGraff According to a Minnetrista police report, Everson Griffen jumped out of the ambulance he was in headed to a hospital "because he was in fear that someone was going to shoot him." Police then escorted the ambulance and took him to the hospital where he remains. Wow, hopefully they get everything figured out. Doesn't sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Vikings need to "say": Griffen is struggling with a personal matter, we will support his well being to the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 39 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: Vikings need to "say": Griffen is struggling with a personal matter, we will support his well being to the very end. I'm confident the PR team knows how to handle this. I hope Griffen gets his life figured out so he can get back to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 According to a police report filed on Saturday, via Chris Tomasson of the Pioneer Press, Vikings executive director of player development Les Pico described Griffen as “explosive, screaming and yelling at the workplace” for some time. As a result, a letter sent to Griffen and his agent last Thursday asked him to stay away from the team until he underwent an evaluation. Zimmer: “The only thing really we’re concerned about for Everson isn’t anything to do with football. It’s about him getting better. In the five years I’ve been here, I’ve always loved Everson, the effort that he puts out, the work that he does. The chance to count on him in game time. Even in practice. So, he’s always been a really, really good model for us and obviously he’s going through some tough times now.” Zimmer said the team will do “everything possible that we can” to help Griffen as he navigates those tough times. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/25/vikings-asked-everson-griffen-to-stay-away-until-he-had-mental-health-evaluation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, SteelKing728 said: I'm confident the PR team knows how to handle this. the PR team would not be the ones "handling" this. the executive decision makers would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, vike daddy said: the PR team would not be the ones "handling" this. the executive decision makers would be. But based on what CM said, that sounds like something the PR team would handle, because it would be directly relayed to media members. I'm not saying the PR team has any direct involvement with Everson Griffen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I hope he's able to get the help that he needs... To kind of bring this back to the toy department... what kind of impact does this have on the defense? Griff is the emotional leader of that unit. Is Hunter now the full-time RE? I don't think we have the cap space to bring someone like B-Rob back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, RpMc said: To kind of bring this back to the toy department... what kind of impact does this have on the defense? Griff is the emotional leader of that unit. Is Hunter now the full-time RE? I don't think we have the cap space to bring someone like B-Rob back... Agreed on B-Rob. It's up to Weatherly/Bower to step it up with Hunter now taking over the full-time gig at RE. I suspect we also might see Jalyn Holmes play more DE until Everson is able to return. It'll also be interesting to see what roster moves they make next week after Brothers comes back from suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 27 minutes ago, RpMc said: I don't think we have the cap space to bring someone like B-Rob back.. Assuming Griffen ends up on one of the NFI lists, which seems likely, the team may withhold some of his salary. This could make it palatable to pay Robison or someone else the veteran minimum they would be getting. It is an open question as to how much the team would withhold from Griffen. Teams often do not stick it to their players as much as they possibly could in interests of a longer-term harmonious relationship. This is more true when the team does not feel like the player is at fault for a health condition. For example, (someone should look this up) I believe the Vikings paid Mike Harris part of his salary when things went sideways for him. I do not believe the team can recover signing bonus but only salary this year. Trying to recover signing bonus didn't go so well for the Giants when they attempted that with Plaxico Burress. He won that appeal. However, just in base salary the Vikings have $3.9 with which to work. Three-seventeenths of that is already earned. The rest of Griffen's base ($9.9M) is guaranteed. That gives the team up to $3.2M of wiggle room depending on how much of the salary the team would withhold. Given the guaranteed $9.9M I could easily see the team clawing back the full ~$3.2M if they end up putting him on the reserve/NFI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 That is indeed an option; however, given Griffen's importance to the team, what he's dealing with, and the fact that it's not often done, I don't think the team withholds any salary from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cearbhall said: For example, (someone should look this up) I believe the Vikings paid Mike Harris part of his salary when things went sideways for him Because I got curious, and I was in no hurry to get back to working, I looked this up myself. It gives an indication of how the team might handle Griffen. They certainly do not feel an obligation to pay out the full salary. Here is the relevant bit from the local rag last year: Quote After Harris was put on the NFI list in July 2016 and through the remainder of his tenure with the team, the Vikings declined to give any details on his medical situation. They were under o obligation to pay Harris for the 2016 season, but he said they agreed to give him $400,000 of his $1.9 million base salary. He already had earned a $100,000 workout bonus for the spring. -https://www.twincities.com/2017/09/26/ex-viking-mike-harris-upbeat-despite-congenital-brain-condition-forcing-retirement/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, RpMc said: That is indeed an option; however, given Griffen's importance to the team, what he's dealing with, and the fact that it's not often done, I don't think the team withholds any salary from him. I am confused what you mean by "it's not often done". I would say that it is fairly often that teams withhold salary from guys on the NFI. I'm not sure if what you are saying is opposed to that viewpoint or if you are talking about something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Sorry for the confusing structure. I am saying that the team withholding salary from Griffen is unlikely given the circumstances. It's done normally to "stick it" to guys who suffer Non-Football injuries for doing something stupid in the offseason that's costing the team. In this instance, given that it's an illness and the team has no reason to stick it to Griffen, it's highly unlikely that salary is withheld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, RpMc said: Sorry for the confusing structure. I am saying that the team withholding salary from Griffen is unlikely given the circumstances. It's done normally to "stick it" to guys who suffer Non-Football injuries for doing something stupid in the offseason that's costing the team. In this instance, given that it's an illness and the team has no reason to stick it to Griffen, it's highly unlikely that salary is withheld. It was an illness with Mike Harris too. The team did the right thing and paid out some of his salary rather than sticking it to him as hard as they could. However, they did scoop $1.5M back rather than pay out the full amount. I would be somewhat surprised of the team paid out the full non-guaranteed base salary to Griffen if they put him on the reserve/NFI. The fact that he will be getting paid his $9.9M guaranteed salary only would make that more surprising to me. I do not think they'll try to touch the $9.9M and they might let him keep some of the $3.9M but it would surprise me if they paid it all especially when that means not being able to sign a replacement for veteran minimum. Them not being able to afford a veteran minimum replacement is what you were suggesting, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 One last point related to the above discussion. It is a different team, but a high profile player at the same position. Jason Pierre-Paul was the Giants franchise player when he had the accident that caused them to put him on the NFI. Since JPP hadn't signed the tender they could have rescinded it and owed him nothing but they left it out there for him to sign. They didn't rescind it because they would not have to pay him during the time he was on the NFI. Indeed, the Giants didn't pay JPP as he didn't even bother signing the franchise tender until he was ready to play. I would argue JPP was more important to the Giants than Griffen is to the Vikings this year. Griffen is a huge piece of the puzzle but the team has more solid defensive pieces to work with than the Giants had at that time. Granted, JPPs injury was more in his control than the amount of control Griffen has over his situation. Mike Harris is a better example but I just wanted to bring up an example of a key player to a team since that is one area where Mike Harris was not a perfect fit (although, he was not unimportant as the Vikings were, as always, thin on the O-line and the line was awful without him -- and the rest of the guys that didn't work out that year). If you still think the team will pay Griffen his full salary if they end up moving him to the reserve/NFI that is fine. I have said my piece and am fine with disagreeing. However, if I end up being wrong I will happily buy you lunch next time you are in my town @RpMc And I am not talking about McDonalds. It will give you a great opportunity to tell me how wrong I was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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