RuskieTitan Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Quote The NFL's competition committee is scheduled to speak on a conference call next week about the proliferation of roughing the passer penalties, two sources told ESPN on Tuesday. The sources said the committee is concerned about the frequency of these penalties and has voiced those concerns to the league office. "There's some concern that the officials are going a little bit too far with some of these calls," one of the sources said. Through three weeks, there have been 34 roughing the passer calls. Through three games last year, there had been 16, and through three games in 2016, there were 20. That specific call has been a big part of the early-season controversy, though part of the issue the competition committee has is with hits that don't fit into that category -- for example, the controversial Clay Matthews hit on Kirk Cousinsin Week 2 that led to the Vikings' game-tying touchdown. That play was put on the league's weekly teaching tape as an example of how not to sack the quarterback, but one of the sources said the competition committee was confused about whether that penalty should have been called. "I don't recall ever hearing the terms 'scoop and lift' before," the source said. The sources both said they don't expect any major changes this season, though discussions are ongoing and could eventually include officials. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24792942/competition-committee-look-roughing-passer-penalties After some rather embarrassing flags on pure football plays, the NFL's competition committee has realized they went too far with emphasizing the rule that has apparently been around since 1995 (per link to the article) but only became an issue after Aaron Rodgers couldn't take a hit. It appears that no official change to the rule is likely during the season, but with the discussions ongoing and bringing officials in, it seems rather clear that they will tell the refs to throw flags on actual penalties and not tough but legal hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just blow it up now. I'm fine protecting the head and blatant helmet to helmet hits and direct knee shots, everything else should be fair game. There's just no consistency these rulings are becoming way too subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, RuskieTitan said: "There's some concern that the officials are going a little bit too far with some of these calls," one of the sources said. "Little bit" 8 minutes ago, RuskieTitan said: The sources both said they don't expect any major changes this season, though discussions are ongoing and could eventually include officials. Discussions "could eventually" include officials. This is disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Love how they're going to meet now, in week 4, and possibly all come to the conclusion that they're ruining the product on the field, but they're not going to collectively do anything about it until next year. Why even meet, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: Just blow it up now. I'm fine protecting the head and blatant helmet to helmet hits and direct knee shots, everything else should be fair game. There's just no consistency these rulings are becoming way too subjective. Unfortunately, this will never happen. But I agree. You can't keep everyone healthy and it's unfair to everyone that isn't a QB. The ability to avoid and fight through injuries is just another part of the game. Eliminate dangerous plays and technique that seriously impact quality of life, the rest is fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Just now, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Love how they're going to meet now, in week 4, and possibly all come to the conclusion that they're ruining the product on the field, but they're not going to collectively do anything about it until next year. Why even meet, then? So they can announce they're meeting and "having discussions" of course. They're really just holed up in offices waiting for it to blow over lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 waiting for an explanation of why Bostic wasn't ejected last night. He lowered the crown of his helmet into the side of Fitz's helmet as Fitz was sliding. That is the epitomy of an ejection, even tho he was out of the pocket. That is textbook targeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 58 minutes ago, Dome said: "Little bit" Discussions "could eventually" include officials. This is disappointing. Nothing will be done this season. We need to all accept it at this point. This is a bone thrown to wolves to keep them at bay until the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Not gonna change the outcome of the past so thanks for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Give them red shirts or flags. If not, admit that the fact that a player being tackled will result in the tackling player's weight ending up on the tackled player. It's called physics. It's been around for a little bit. The only thing missing from Clay's tackle of Cousins was the rose petals being laid out on the ground. Hopefully, because we all know the NFL cannot admit wrong doing the refs will just be told to ease off the calls and then address it next season as official rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Or basically..... The Green Bay guy on the rules comity, who pushed this asinine rule forward as a desperate attempt to keep Rodgers upright....Now has regrets because Clay Mathews is the player being most screwed over and it's ended up stacking the deck against the Packers rather than in their favor. Reversing this rule should get through easily, but it should only be allowed if we also remove the apparent exemption Green Bay offensive linemen get for unflagged offensive holding on every other play. Trolling aside... Even as a rabid cheesehead hating Bears fan, who dislikes Clay Mathews on principle alone, I have to admit that the RTP penalties he's been getting weekly are asinine, with only his hit on Trubisky week 1 actually being flag worthy as RTP (for the late hit after the ball was thrown). But even on that play, some consideration needs to given to the defender, as Mathews was lowering his shoulder while Trubisky was throwing and he was only a step late. It's a weird catch 22 situation where the defender really has trouble doing anything right.... If he doesn't lower his shoulder he gets targeting the head, if he lowers his shoulder too much, he gets leading with the helmet, and if he does what Mathews did and tries to properly tackle a guy, he might not be as able to see the ball coming out, let alone have enough time to stop 260lbs of mass moving 15-20MPH within a split second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 They didn't realize this in preseason when we were seeing the same things happening then? But hey, what do the players and fans know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles101 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: They didn't realize this in preseason when we were seeing the same things happening then? But hey, what do the players and fans know.... They do the same thing with every rule. Let them see what is going to get called and hope the players stop doing it during regular season. Then if theres backlash they have a meeting, tweak the rules back just enough so no one loudly complains. Rinse and repeat until you come to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 damage has been done, just like the fail mary getting rid of replacement refs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny/Patrick Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 4 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Love how they're going to meet now, in week 4, and possibly all come to the conclusion that they're ruining the product on the field, but they're not going to collectively do anything about it until next year. Why even meet, then? Make it look like they will change something, but, ultimately not do anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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