Rolni Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 I have multiple issues with Gruden now. The Mack trade is one of the biggest. The way our team plays now, so basically the work him and PG did so far is the other big issue for me. The other thing which is pretty much up there with the Mack trade is the way how he handles RM. I'm not in RM's corner, so this is not about that. I just can't understand and accept the way he talks about his work in the media. I know that I'm old fashioned, but I think this is not the way to do business, to treat people. Can't really understand why he kept RM in the first place...but that maybe was a request from Mark Davis. If you accepted this situation from your boss/owner deal with it like a Man. You can go with your own draft board, you can pick your FA's, you can even make your own trades, but don't try to drag the guy in the dirt. Deal with it internally and let Mark now that you need to make a change by seasons end. The way he handles this situation doesn't give me the impression that he is a morally, ethically fine man, who is capable to lead a team and build up a healthy culture for them. I hope I'm wrong obviously... Hopefully all will get back into order after this season. Hopefully Jon will finally set the FO structure and there will be a united front going forward. Brian Heimerdinger (Current Jets vice president of player personnel) is a name which was thrown around back in January and lately on twitter. He could be a young, upcoming GM, who could help Jon turn this ship around. Dave Razzano seems to already be in Gruden's ears, so he could be an inhouse option I guess... Hopefully Gruden will reexamine his coaching staff and let go at least Cable, who seems to be as bad as he was in Seattle... So there is hope in me, but I'm on the dark side now officially, so he/they has to win me over from now on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 If I want to positive, we should be in a great situation next offseason...(only if Carr looks good by the end of the season...) Right now we stand around 135M with the top51 contracts for 2019. The 2019 salary cap could be around 190M...If we calculate with a modest 185M we should still have 50M to spend. 50M after we have Cooper on his 5th year deal and still have everybody who has a deal now obviously. I see some easy cuts: Bruce Irvin 9,25M Donald Penn 5,475M Tahir Whitehead 6,375M Seth Roberts 4,65M Lee Smith 3M Kyle Wilber 1,75M Keith Smith 1,5M Andrew DePaloa 0,905M There are some possible cuts: Amari Cooper 13,924M While I think he is a great weapon and could be a good value for that 14M, if Carr continues to let him out of the game even when he is wide open, we should move on and find someone who fits more Carr's style?, need? I don't know what... Kelechi Osemele 10,2M I would keep him, but he should improve on his first few weeks for sure. If he can't play better we might let him walk and try to get a new face...who knows what Cable and Gruden wants up front... Jordy Nelson 7,2M So far so good and now I say we should keep him, but if he "falls off a cliff" by seasons end we could move on. Gabe Jackson 7M I would keep him, but he should improve on his first few weeks for sure. If he can't play better we might let him walk and try to get a new face...who knows what Cable and Gruden wants up front... Justin Ellis 2,5M We don't know whether he can return this year or not. We don't know how the DT position looks after the season. He could easily have a place on this team, he got his extension this offseason when Gruden and PG was already on board. Then he could easily lose his spot if let's say they preffer Hankins at NT after this year and they can agree on a deal with him. That's 32-73M additional space...Which means that we should have at least 80M to spend and could have 120M on our hand... They could target a few quality guys in FA period and fill the roster with younger veterans before the draft. There could be some solid S's and even DE's on the market for us. Ha-Ha Clinton Dix, Landon Collins, Adrian Amos could hit the market IMO. Darqueze Dennard could hit the CB market. Aaron Lynch, Dee Ford, Brandon Graham, Dante Fowler Jr. and Trey Flowers could for a strong EDGE market Randall Cobb, Donte Moncrief, Golden Tate could be options IMO. Get a top S Get Dennard to play with Worley and Conley and Nelson Get an EDGE rusher to pair with Key Get a WR, especially if Cooper is moved Draft well. That would be an improved team for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Everything rides on Carr now. Either he puts it together in Gruden's offense and his early struggles are just a product of getting comfortable in the system or he's just not the player everyone thought he'd be and they Raiders are in trouble. I am a big Carr guy. But I am worried about him. His poise in the pocket has been eyeopening dating back to last season. That's a red flag for me and I'm not sure how he fixes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Raider Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Rolni said: If I want to positive, we should be in a great situation next offseason...(only if Carr looks good by the end of the season...) Right now we stand around 135M with the top51 contracts for 2019. The 2019 salary cap could be around 190M...If we calculate with a modest 185M we should still have 50M to spend. 50M after we have Cooper on his 5th year deal and still have everybody who has a deal now obviously. I see some easy cuts: Bruce Irvin 9,25M Donald Penn 5,475M Tahir Whitehead 6,375M Seth Roberts 4,65M Lee Smith 3M Kyle Wilber 1,75M Keith Smith 1,5M Andrew DePaloa 0,905M There are some possible cuts: Amari Cooper 13,924M While I think he is a great weapon and could be a good value for that 14M, if Carr continues to let him out of the game even when he is wide open, we should move on and find someone who fits more Carr's style?, need? I don't know what... Kelechi Osemele 10,2M I would keep him, but he should improve on his first few weeks for sure. If he can't play better we might let him walk and try to get a new face...who knows what Cable and Gruden wants up front... Jordy Nelson 7,2M So far so good and now I say we should keep him, but if he "falls off a cliff" by seasons end we could move on. Gabe Jackson 7M I would keep him, but he should improve on his first few weeks for sure. If he can't play better we might let him walk and try to get a new face...who knows what Cable and Gruden wants up front... Justin Ellis 2,5M We don't know whether he can return this year or not. We don't know how the DT position looks after the season. He could easily have a place on this team, he got his extension this offseason when Gruden and PG was already on board. Then he could easily lose his spot if let's say they preffer Hankins at NT after this year and they can agree on a deal with him. That's 32-73M additional space...Which means that we should have at least 80M to spend and could have 120M on our hand... They could target a few quality guys in FA period and fill the roster with younger veterans before the draft. There could be some solid S's and even DE's on the market for us. Ha-Ha Clinton Dix, Landon Collins, Adrian Amos could hit the market IMO. Darqueze Dennard could hit the CB market. Aaron Lynch, Dee Ford, Brandon Graham, Dante Fowler Jr. and Trey Flowers could for a strong EDGE market Randall Cobb, Donte Moncrief, Golden Tate could be options IMO. Get a top S Get Dennard to play with Worley and Conley and Nelson Get an EDGE rusher to pair with Key Get a WR, especially if Cooper is moved Draft well. That would be an improved team for sure... Honestly, I'd be upset if we moved Osemele and Gabe, but I get where your coming from. I hate the fact that we are taking the biggest strength on our team and forcing them to play a system that doesn't maximize them. In my opinion, good coaches put players in positions to succeed. Those two should be firing into defenses and pounding the daylights out of them, not dancing around in a zone scheme. Dammit Cable/Gruden utilize our maulers! I want two Safeties this offseason. I've got ZERO interest in seeing Nelson back there again. This is the year to grab them in FA. Lamarcus Joyner and Landon Collins would change our defensive backfield exponentially, but likely unrealistic (I can dream). Give me Joyner and a "solid" SS and I'd be happy, a whole bunch of them are hitting the market... Sign Tevin Coleman to pair with Lynch I'd pass on the Des in FA and focus on getting them in a loaded draft this year. Something finally has to happen at Linebacker... We have the worst linebackers in the league and it's been that way for years. dream defensive offseason for me would be Draft 1stA: Clelin Ferrill 1stB: Devin White: I'm hoping for a Bears crash to a mid round pick as I still don't believe in Trubisky despite his recent fireworks. Also banking that the value of off-ball linebacker remains depressed (Hoping that Roquan Smith as a top 10 was the exception, not the norm). Edmonds and LVE being mid round picks seems a better comp considering years past. 2nd: Te'von Coney Move PJ Hall to Base End on run downs, inside on passing (Key becomes a pass rush specialist). Sign Joyner and Collins as our big FA splashes (combined still cost considerably less than what we saved on Mack) Combined they haven't shown much, but I'd be willing to resign and roll with Worley/Melvin and let Conley fight it out. I'm hoping he makes big progress as he's essentially a rookie. Strong safety play and a pass rush will GREATLY help out our corners. When QBs have ALL day, I don't care who you are, you're going to get roasted. Priority resign Hankins. I believe we'd have a strong and young D-line. An exciting duo at Linebacker and a very field able if not good set of DBs. ON offense Sign Tevin Coleman. I'm honestly at a loss about what to do about our WRs and their rapport with Carr. Again, I'm done with Cooper, but if he stays so be it. I don't have warm and fuzzies with Nelson or Bryant and would love to cut bait and move on with our 3rd round pick and the solid (not great) FA WRs this offseason. I think we could get the same productivity for less... Obviously rolling with Miller at LT. I'm hopeful that Parker can officially seize the job and grow into the position this year. Otherwise, it's back to the drawing board and adjusting the above plan for yet another RT (Penn hopefully retires gracefully this year). Special Teams Something has to happen at P... yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 19 hours ago, big_palooka said: Gruden has thrown him under the bus. Reversed back over him. Parked the bus on top of him. Saturated the bus in gasoline. Lit the match and tossed it inside while walking off. We're just waiting for the explosion now. Which very well may be true. For some reason I just don't see it that way. Maybe because my personality is the same as Gruden's. Yes he's ripping Reggie, but he's not intentionally doing it in the way you're saying it or the media is making it out to be. Same with his comments about Carr. Gruden is just being honest and stating facts. The drafts have not panned out. The players that were drafted sucked and are gone. Everyone in turn says, well he's ripping Reggie. Anyone who says we need to draft better than the last 4 years is ripping Reggie, without saying directly Reggie sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Personally i don’t think KO and Jackson are a very good fit for the ZBS which is probably why there has been a step back. When the Raiders ran it ten years ago with more athletic linemen they were much better in the run game. Gallery in particular. Since KO and Jackson are bigger and slower i could see the Raiders dumping one or both of them especially for a cheaper option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, big_palooka said: Everything rides on Carr now. Either he puts it together in Gruden's offense and his early struggles are just a product of getting comfortable in the system or he's just not the player everyone thought he'd be and they Raiders are in trouble. I am a big Carr guy. But I am worried about him. His poise in the pocket has been eyeopening dating back to last season. That's a red flag for me and I'm not sure how he fixes it. You and i are on the same page on this. He has the ability but if he can’t put it together then i could see them ditching him in the off season. Id love to see him work on pocket movement like Brady and Rodgers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I'll prolly get laughed out and roasted but I would trade for Beckham.... we have the picks and money... seems he needs a change of scenery..... maybe Cooper more of a 2 and a would be a nightmare .. trade a first for Odell, draft a RB in the second.... defense rest of the picks.... our offense would be great on paper QB: Carr WR: Odell WR: Cooper Slot: Jordy or Bryant RB: Lynch, plus a young stud 2nd rounder TE: Cook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 @Rolni great analysis, we have a great cap situation and our situation all depends on is Carr good at the end of the season. Just a remark about Ellis, you suggest to cut him if we sign Hankins but i wouldnt cut him. We have 80 mio in cap after the easy cuts, and even if we don't cut any of the other possible cuts that 80 mio should be more then enough to add a bunch of good players. In that scenarion i wouldnt cut a good rotational run stuffer because he makes a mio more then he should. Maybe it is a bit to much Madden in my thinking, but i rather have Hankins and Ellis as rotational run stuffers so that we also have depth in case one gets injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 How much longer can this team ignore the glaring weakness at LB? Watching the Charges RBs destroy them in the passing game last week.... it was a stark reminder of just how important the LB spot is and how they continue to ignore it. A lot of you liked the Whitehead signing and I said at the time, he offers nothing in coverage. He's exposed each week and he's not anything special against the run. DJ is done, that was obvious last year, but some tried to buy that. Marrow? He was a real up and comer.... getting no snaps. Guenther LOVES to work with unheralded LB prospects everyone kept shouting..... Rinse, repeat.... worst unit on this defense year after year. The Raiders front 7 is slow and has no teeth because the LBs are so incredibly awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Raider Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I want a sideline to sideline lb with one of our firsts. Anything else would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Why everybody worry about our cap situation? We going to have to overpay for free agents until we get to Vegas. And only hope the intrigue of Vegas makes players want to play for us. Gruden burned some bridges with how they handle the Mack thing. Players and agents around league are going to try to take raiders to school every single time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Gruden should just trade all of reggie picks since he don't like any of them. Joseph can fetch a 5 6 or 7. Falcons need a safety something awful. Conley can get a 4th 5th or 6th from some team. He has look great in spots for a 2nd year corner in his 7th ir 8th game. No idea why he sitting so much now. It's time to go all in on this rebuild. They been playing around doing stuff from both sides of the fence. One side things a team rebuilding do and on other side things teams that think they close would do. Gruden has blamed picks on roster change over and blamed picks on who he ain't draft. Just cut bait and rebuild already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/11/2018 at 6:35 AM, big_palooka said: Everything rides on Carr now. Either he puts it together in Gruden's offense and his early struggles are just a product of getting comfortable in the system or he's just not the player everyone thought he'd be and they Raiders are in trouble. I am a big Carr guy. But I am worried about him. His poise in the pocket has been eyeopening dating back to last season. That's a red flag for me and I'm not sure how he fixes it. Try playing a game where during a carr press conference you take a drink every time he’s says “gotta get better “ “gotta do better” “gotta fix it” that last press conf carr looked tweeked out like a mug Like a guy that just shell shocked but tryna hold it all together. We need him do have a 2:1 td int ratioto win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, dante9876 said: Gruden burned some bridges with how they handle the Mack thing. Players and agents around league are going to try to take raiders to school every single time. Please explain this. Gruden said no we won't pay you like a QB but we'll give you the opportunity to get that contract elsewhere and he burned some bridges with agents? I posted an agent's take article right after the trade that said exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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