Trades you want this year

[warfelg]

13 hours ago, muncher said:

trade tomlin.

attitude is holding this team back more than talent or scheme

What attitude makes guys communicate better?  What attitude makes Bostick drop 15 yards rather than 4?  What attitude makes VWill faster to cover TE's?  What attitude makes Edmunds and Davis smarter to diagnose plays and now where to shade?  What attitude has Heyward and Tuitt playing to their ability?  What attitude suddenly makes Ben hit these passes over 10 yards?  What attitude suddenly deages Foster?  Makes Villanueva a better speed rush blocker?  Makes Brown not drop simple passes?  Makes DeCastro's hand not broken?

I'm sorry but this statement is stupid.  And statements like this is why I have Tomlin as my avatar.  To me attitude is the last issue with this team.  All that stuff that's holding us back IS talent.  It IS scheme.

And what people get wrong all the time about talent is you think we're likely talking about physical attributes.  It's more than that.  Talent is intelligence.  Talent is using your eyes to see the play in front of you.  Talent is having the ability to perfectly time moves.

This team is not talented.  It's not schemed well.  4 weeks in and we have 4 apologies from Fitchner on not using the RB's the right way, this time saying that it's his fault that Ben is throwing so much, Conner is good, but Conner needs touches to get going.  He said the same thing the last two games too, and after the first one he said he needed to be better on rotating the RB's.  Maybe he's just not a good OC and Brown isn't getting open because Brown has run the same 4 routes (Fly, Deep in, Deep out, Screen) making it predictable to scheme against.

Is that attitude or scheme?

We're near dead last in sacks, we're near dead last in pressures.  We only get pressure when we bring more than 4 rushers, but we're also leading in bringing less than 4 rushers as of right now.

Is that attitude or scheme or talent?

If we lose a game the way the Bengals lost that playoff game to us then I will let the attitude reasoning fly.  Until then find a new slant.  We're the talent of a .500 team that's been outplaying that because Tomlin has instilled the right attitude, not matter how much you try to hate him for it.

[Steelers22]

16 hours ago, wwhickok said:

So i've been listening to the Terrible Podcast lately with David Todd and David Bryan.  They believe Bell will not be traded and no changes will occur to the FO or coaching staff.  If they're right that'll be very disappointing.  Our defense has gotten progressively worse under Butler and yes, it's a talent issue, which you could blame Colbert for, a discipline issue which you could blame Tomlin for, an attitude problem which, isn't that why Porter was hired?  There's enough blame to go around, the players are guilty also.  If we miss the playoffs, imo, someone has to lose their job.

I agree.  I think strictly saying its a talent issue is a copout.  The non-stop "communication issues" that seem to occur falls solely on the defensive coaching staff. 

 

If we have poor players, then we better have a good scheme.  Judging by the results, the scheming isn't working out too well.  But according to players that is because they don't know what they should be doing more times than not.  That's an absurd excuse to continually make for an NFL team.  Butler needs to go, no question about it.

[Blitzburgh]

1 hour ago, Steelers22 said:

I agree.  I think strictly saying its a talent issue is a copout.  The non-stop "communication issues" that seem to occur falls solely on the defensive coaching staff. 

 

If we have poor players, then we better have a good scheme.  Judging by the results, the scheming isn't working out too well.  But according to players that is because they don't know what they should be doing more times than not.  That's an absurd excuse to continually make for an NFL team.  Butler needs to go, no question about it.

I have to imagine Butler is gone by year end.  I think Tomlin keeps his job, but needs someone to take the fall.  I think Porter needs to go, but he and Tomlin seem to be bum buddies. I’ll be interested to see what happens with Fichtner.  Maybe he needs more time, but he is clearly a step back.  He may not make some of the bone head calls Haley made, but he is far worse overall .  

[3rivers]

4 hours ago, Blitzburgh said:

I’ll be interested to see what happens with Fichtner.  Maybe he needs more time, but he is clearly a step back.  He may not make some of the bone head calls Haley made, but he is far worse overall .  

ben got his wish, and if it doesn't work out  after one season, do they ask ben "what else" and try again next season ?  The can keep making excuses, and will, so we will wait and see where they decided they had enough.  I am expecting the DC to be gone at seasons end,  but ben will have his way if they keep him and Fichtner stays as a result.

[43M]

17 hours ago, warfelg said:

What attitude makes guys communicate better?  What attitude makes Bostick drop 15 yards rather than 4?  What attitude makes VWill faster to cover TE's?  What attitude makes Edmunds and Davis smarter to diagnose plays and now where to shade?  What attitude has Heyward and Tuitt playing to their ability?  What attitude suddenly makes Ben hit these passes over 10 yards?  What attitude suddenly deages Foster?  Makes Villanueva a better speed rush blocker?  Makes Brown not drop simple passes?  Makes DeCastro's hand not broken?

I'm sorry but this statement is stupid.  And statements like this is why I have Tomlin as my avatar.  To me attitude is the last issue with this team.  All that stuff that's holding us back IS talent.  It IS scheme.

And what people get wrong all the time about talent is you think we're likely talking about physical attributes.  It's more than that.  Talent is intelligence.  Talent is using your eyes to see the play in front of you.  Talent is having the ability to perfectly time moves.

This team is not talented.  It's not schemed well.  4 weeks in and we have 4 apologies from Fitchner on not using the RB's the right way, this time saying that it's his fault that Ben is throwing so much, Conner is good, but Conner needs touches to get going.  He said the same thing the last two games too, and after the first one he said he needed to be better on rotating the RB's.  Maybe he's just not a good OC and Brown isn't getting open because Brown has run the same 4 routes (Fly, Deep in, Deep out, Screen) making it predictable to scheme against.

Is that attitude or scheme?

We're near dead last in sacks, we're near dead last in pressures.  We only get pressure when we bring more than 4 rushers, but we're also leading in bringing less than 4 rushers as of right now.

Is that attitude or scheme or talent?

If we lose a game the way the Bengals lost that playoff game to us then I will let the attitude reasoning fly.  Until then find a new slant.  We're the talent of a .500 team that's been outplaying that because Tomlin has instilled the right attitude, not matter how much you try to hate him for it.

The guy is just another blind Tomlin hater....and this coming from someone who is really beginning to think its time to move on from him....but I dont blame him for everything either.

[warfelg]

3 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said:

The guy is just another blind Tomlin hater....and this coming from someone who is really beginning to think its time to move on from him....but I dont blame him for everything either.

I’m starting to not like Tomlin either, but at least I’m grounding mine in things you can see as opposed to “attitude”. 

Tomlins clock management sucks. Never got better. He’s got to pull a McVay and hire a clock management specialist. 

He seemingly lets his coordinators do whatever and never overrules them. I feel like that loses us a ton of games. 

I don’t know the power structure of picks, but based on the way he talks he has too much input. 

[43M]

3 hours ago, warfelg said:

I’m starting to not like Tomlin either, but at least I’m grounding mine in things you can see as opposed to “attitude”. 

Tomlins clock management sucks. Never got better. He’s got to pull a McVay and hire a clock management specialist. 

He seemingly lets his coordinators do whatever and never overrules them. I feel like that loses us a ton of games. 

I don’t know the power structure of picks, but based on the way he talks he has too much input. 

Yep.

Plus, you've also given Tomlin credit for things.    You can see the haters because they cherry pick all the bad things to hang on Tomlin while crediting all of the good things to everyone BUT him.

My biggest issue with Tomlin is simple....he doesnt learn from past mistakes....like, ever.    Every time I hear this, I think of Tomlin (just the first 20 seconds)....

Tomlin has some good attributes, and he wont be out of work long if/when he leaves here, but I think he may have peaked....at least with us.

[3rivers]

6 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said:

Yep.

Plus, you've also given Tomlin credit for things.    You can see the haters because they cherry pick all the bad things to hang on Tomlin while crediting all of the good things to everyone BUT him.

My biggest issue with Tomlin is simple....he doesnt learn from past mistakes....like, ever.    Every time I hear this, I think of Tomlin (just the first 20 seconds)....

Tomlin has some good attributes, and he wont be out of work long if/when he leaves here, but I think he may have peaked....at least with us.

more violence here than in a game of football in 2018. 

Wasn't the insanity poster with Arians? I used to have that somewhere, and it WAS funny. Too bad it also has LIVED ON  after he left 

[muncher]

the attitude? yep, the attitude that players can say, act and tweet anything they want with no repercussions. the i wont hold anyone accountable attitude. the finesse attitude instead of toughness attitude. qb says he isnt on same page with any wr but gives qb and wr days off during the week so they like him

 so, last years team went 13-3 with talent but this years team with the mostly the same players plus a few better ones has no talent?

the same team that had another year to gel and learn the new defense?

tomlin is a good regular season coach he is not a good post season coach. his jive talking is old. i believe his players have tuned him out.

[KJtheWicked]

Word is Cardinals have Hassan Reddick and Deone Buchanon on the trade block. Buchanon is a FA at the end of the year, and the Cards seem ready to move on from Reddick. Thoughts?

[MOSteelers56]

4 hours ago, KJtheWicked said:

Word is Cardinals have Hassan Reddick and Deone Buchanon on the trade block. Buchanon is a FA at the end of the year, and the Cards seem ready to move on from Reddick. Thoughts?

I'd like to either of them. I wish trades were more widely done.

[warfelg]

8 minutes ago, MOSteelers56 said:

I'd like to either of them. I wish trades were more widely done.

Maybe Buch for me. No on Reddick. Reddick can’t play ILB and isn’t better than what we have at OLB. Buch brings speed back to the middle but isn’t good against the run. 

[MOSteelers56]

42 minutes ago, warfelg said:

Maybe Buch for me. No on Reddick. Reddick can’t play ILB and isn’t better than what we have at OLB. Buch brings speed back to the middle but isn’t good against the run. 

I suppose that makes sense about Reddick. There's a reason why he's fallen out of favor. I just remember liking him as a prospect.

[KJtheWicked]

I think Reddicks issues are similar to Sean Davis, where he has talent, but hasn’t been allowed to settle in and learn a role. I think he could be a very good Mack or will LB for someone if given the opportunity to settle into a stable role and learn. 

 

Buchanon would be be a nice move provided they plan on signing him long term. Problem with either one of them is, who do you cut to make room on the roster? My fear would be Matthew Thomas.

[MOSteelers56]

1 hour ago, KJtheWicked said:

I think Reddicks issues are similar to Sean Davis, where he has talent, but hasn’t been allowed to settle in and learn a role. I think he could be a very good Mack or will LB for someone if given the opportunity to settle into a stable role and learn. 

 

Buchanon would be be a nice move provided they plan on signing him long term. Problem with either one of them is, who do you cut to make room on the roster? My fear would be Matthew Thomas.

Maybe they'd include a player in the trade. Then, no worries about Thomas. Plus, If we traded and signed Buchanon, we'd have no need for Thomas. We could probably stash him anyway.