childofpudding Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: I don't mind ranking players. I just don't like diminishing one player to pimp another one. The way people use stats when it suits them and ignore them when it doesn't. It's human nature to be biased towards your own players, but you don't have to dog everybody else. Amen to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LieutenantGains Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Which is better to use when ranking QB’s? Need some opinions here Adjusted yards per pass attempt Adjusted net yards per pass attempt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Asciimo said: pretty easily. put a QB in a stressful situation and see how he performs most often. game winning drives & playoff games. This isn't a measure. This is a scenario. How do you quantify a "game winning drive"? Is it a 90 yard drive within the two minute warning? Is it a 35 yard drive after interception that leads to a FG to take a lead that isn't relinquished with 10:21 in the 4th quarter? With any good measure, you also need to establish a negative, something that subtracts from the measurw - so what's the negative on this? An interception in the end zone? An interception, period? A failed drive in the 2 minute warning? For this to be a reliable measure, you've got to define much more than what you're proposing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siv Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Happy for Drew. Really good player. Top 10 all time QB for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsfan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Asciimo said: yep just a meaningless thing to toot a horn on. even when Brady eventually takes #1 passing yards, i'll believe the same thing. who cares. Lol thats never gonna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, LieutenantGains said: Which is better to use when ranking QB’s? Need some opinions here Adjusted yards per pass attempt Adjusted net yards per pass attempt One assigns blame for sacks to the QB, one does not. Probably best to use both. Sorry if that's not the answer you were looking for You could create your own metric based on how much blame for sacks you think goes to the QB. The formula for ANY/A is (pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown) - sack yards)/(passing attempts + sacks). To create your own metric, simply do (pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown) - (x% * sack yards)/(passing attempts + sacks) where x% is the percentage blame for sacks you think should be assigned to QBs on average. I think that's correct, anyway. Maybe it should be (pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown) - (x% * sack yards)/(passing attempts + (x% * sacks)). Not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 49 minutes ago, saintsfan said: Lol thats never gonna happen It won't happen. I'm not convinced he will play longer than Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, SBLIII said: It won't happen. I'm not convinced he will play longer than Brees. Brees has already said he won't play til he's 45. He has one, maybe two years left IMO. Brady may well play longer than Brees. He'll be able to play til he's 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, LieutenantGains said: Which is better to use when ranking QB’s? Need some opinions here Adjusted yards per pass attempt Adjusted net yards per pass attempt Pretty much every stat heavily comes with the context of the cast around them, but AY/A and ANY/A are both good with a slight edge to the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetzger Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, LieutenantGains said: Which is better to use when ranking QB’s? Need some opinions here Adjusted yards per pass attempt Adjusted net yards per pass attempt Would definitely prefer ANY/A. Sack rate is pretty much the most consistent Stat for QBs season-to-season even with rotating personnel along o-lines which suggests it's heavily influenced by the qb himself, so I see no reason to ignore it. Plus it gives a better snapshot of overall efficacy of a passing offense and increases the sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobikus Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Thelonebillsfan said: There is no "GOAT" truth for like, pretty much every position except maybe WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Iowa Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Another little som'som' about Brees With a new personal best in last night’s historic performance (89.7%), Drew Brees is on pace to break the @NFL’s single-season completion percentage record, which was set by Drew Brees…last season. Probably because he's so tall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mid Iowa said: Another little som'som' about Brees With a new personal best in last night’s historic performance (89.7%), Drew Brees is on pace to break the @NFL’s single-season completion percentage record, which was set by Drew Brees…last season. Probably because he's so tall. Amazing accomplishment, although it is in part due to leaning heavily on the short passing game. Brees has been in the bottom half in air yards per completion (CAY) in the last three years at least. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2018/all I hope Brees gets MVP this season. Unbelievable that he hasnt gotten one yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, childofpudding said: Amazing accomplishment, although it is in part due to leaning heavily on the short passing game. Brees has been in the bottom half in air yards per completion (CAY) in the last three years at least. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2018/all I hope Brees gets MVP this season. Unbelievable that he hasnt gotten one yet. Yes, Saints have started dinking and dunking as Brees has lost some deep ball ability in the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsfan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Jlowe22 said: Brees has already said he won't play til he's 45. He has one, maybe two years left IMO. Brady may well play longer than Brees. He'll be able to play til he's 45. Brady is two years older than Brees and we would need two FULL seasons after Brees to pass him. I don't see Brady playing for another 4-5 seasons. Brees looks great this year, idk why everyone thinks he's done in a year but Brady is good to go forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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