Drew Brees - new all time passing yardage leader

[navysaintsfan]

22 hours ago, MookieMonstah said:

If thats true, why aren't other QBs putting up the numbers he is year in and year out?

I say the exact same thing all the time. Tons of QBs would be putting up incredible numbers if this was the case.

[lancerman]

24 minutes ago, navysaintsfan said:

I say the exact same thing all the time. Tons of QBs would be putting up incredible numbers if this was the case.

They are. Brees is just one of the oldest 

[navysaintsfan]

15 minutes ago, lancerman said:

They are. Brees is just one of the oldest 

Who is? On a level as consistent as Brees? I need names please. Because I am yet to see anyone sniff even a second 5000 yard season, let alone any more first ones.

[Jlowe22]

17 minutes ago, lancerman said:

They are. Brees is just one of the oldest 

Career yardage wise, yes, some young guys are moving at a fast pace.  But none of them have the consistent TD production Brees has from year to year, and guys like Stafford have yet to have a season with 100 passer rating.  Brees has 7, and is on pace for number 8. 

 

[MookieMonstah]

2 hours ago, lancerman said:

They are. Brees is just one of the oldest 

Who? Dude consistently puts up madden numbers. If it was as easy as throwing more every team in the league would do it.

[Malik]

8 hours ago, lancerman said:

They are. Stafford and Eli both have never been top 5 QB’s. They will both retire top 10. Ryan just tied Montana in TD’s and was the fastest QB ever to 40000. 

This is untrue. QBs within the last ~20 years are starting sooner and longer while averaging more passing attempts than a lot of older guys had in their peak season. That doesn't mean everyone's putting up Drew Brees numbers. Like Joe Flacco is likely to pass Dan Fouts in all-time passing yardage if he's able to start another season after this. No one is going to seriously suggest he was ever putting up stats like Dan Fouts. It'll be because he spent virtually his entire career throwing the ball 500 times while Fouts only did that for like 4 seasons.

[FalconFan13]

Kudos to brees even though he is a hated rival you gotta respect what he has accomplished and what type of player he is.

[SkippyX]

On 10/12/2018 at 3:14 PM, FrantikRam said:

 

To me Brees plays QB far better than Montana did. Also better than Marino and Favre. We can say that QBs in this era are better across the board than QBs from a previous era, and that is true - but doesn't Brees being near the top of that further validate his standing?

As for Brees vs. Montana specifically, that's hard for me to take seriously because Jerry Rice had seasons playing for Montana that Brees has never come close to having from a WR.

I'm someone who has been generally unimpressed with the skill players that have played with Brees (and Brady for that matter).

The 'Rice made Montana' argument is about the weakest anyone can make.

• The Catch happened while Rice was in high school.
• Montana won 2 Super Bowls before Rice left college.
• Montana won 2 Super Bowls with Rice in 6 seasons
  • Young won 1 Super Bowl in 8 seasons with Rice (Zero in 3 years with Rice and Owens)
  • Garcia and Gannon did not win with Rice
• The Chiefs have 4 playoff wins since SB IV (48 years!) and 2 of them were Montana in 2 years.(again, no Rice on the chiefs)

Its just a lazy argument that means nothing.

 

Any argument about New Orleans making Brees (Payton, dome, fast receivers, etc.) is much stronger than Rice making Brady

• Brees was J.A.G. in 5 seasons in San Diego (zero playoff wins)
  • 30-28 with an 84.9 rating

[Hunter2_1]

9 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

The 'Rice made Montana' argument is about the weakest anyone can make.

• The Catch happened while Rice was in high school.
• Montana won 2 Super Bowls before Rice left college.
• Montana won 2 Super Bowls with Rice in 6 seasons
  • Young won 1 Super Bowl in 8 seasons with Rice (Zero in 3 years with Rice and Owens)
  • Garcia and Gannon did not win with Rice
• The Chiefs have 4 playoff wins since SB IV (48 years!) and 2 of them were Montana in 2 years.(again, no Rice on the chiefs)

Its just a lazy argument that means nothing.

 

Any argument about New Orleans making Brees (Payton, dome, fast receivers, etc.) is much stronger than Rice making Brady

• Brees was J.A.G. in 5 seasons in San Diego (zero playoff wins)
  • 30-28 with an 84.9 rating

I love how you collapse QB-related arguments. Your work on Manning is your finest, for me.

[Malik]

18 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

The 'Rice made Montana' argument is about the weakest anyone can make.

• The Catch happened while Rice was in high school.
• Montana won 2 Super Bowls before Rice left college.
• Montana won 2 Super Bowls with Rice in 6 seasons
  • Young won 1 Super Bowl in 8 seasons with Rice (Zero in 3 years with Rice and Owens)
  • Garcia and Gannon did not win with Rice
• The Chiefs have 4 playoff wins since SB IV (48 years!) and 2 of them were Montana in 2 years.(again, no Rice on the chiefs)

Its just a lazy argument that means nothing.

 

Any argument about New Orleans making Brees (Payton, dome, fast receivers, etc.) is much stronger than Rice making Brady

• Brees was J.A.G. in 5 seasons in San Diego (zero playoff wins)
  • 30-28 with an 84.9 rating

The Brees part is dishonest. In his 4 seasons of actually starting he had 2 bad years, 1 great, and 1 good year to round it out. His 2004 season is better than a half of dozen of the seasons he's had in NO. There were obvious signs he had makings of being a great player. 

[tyler735]

I've seen people say Brees was the weak link of the Chargers while he was there, or that he was just another guy with the Chargers, but his last 2 seasons with the Chargers were certainly showing signs of the HOF QB he has become over the course of his career.

 

For example, in his 2004 and 2005 seasons (his last 2 years with the Chargers), Brees had:

6,735 passing yards (900 pass attempts), 54 touchdowns, 22 interceptions, 65% completion percentage in 2004, and 64% completion percentage in 2005. He also had a QB Rating of 104.8 in 2004, and 89.2 in 2005.

 

Tom Brady in 2004 and 2005 had:

7802 passing yards(1004 pass attempts), 55 touchdowns, 28 interceptions, 60.8% completion percentage in 2004, and 63% completion percentage in 2005. He also had a QB Rating of 92.6 in 2004 and a QB Rating of 92.3 in 2005.

 

Statistically Brees last 2 years in San Diego were pretty comparable to Tom Brady's numbers in that same time span. This isn't a Brees is better than Tom Brady argument, but simply shows that stating Brees was a "weak link" or "JAG" with the Chargers is simply a farce. Brees had a turning point in his career during the 2004 seasons, which happens to be just months after the Chargers spent a high 1st round pick on Phillip Rivers. Rivers spent his first 2 seasons in the NFL riding the bench because Brees was playing at a much higher level than he had in the past. Up until Brees hurt his shoulder at the end of 2005, they had a big decision to make regarding what to do with Brees as he was still just 26 and had just come off a pro bowl season. Obviously once he hurt his throwing shoulder it made their decision easy, and the rest is history from there for Brees with New Orleans.

[Jlowe22]

Manning had some less than stellar seasons in his early years also.  

[MrnastiesNO]

On 10/14/2018 at 10:29 AM, CKSteeler said:

This is where I like to remind people that before New Orleans, Drew Brees was viewed as a liability in San Diego. The talented 2005 team that missed the playoffs? The narrative was that Drew Brees was the weak link and the reason why.

Then right after that, on cue, you get some revisionists who try and claim otherwise. He didn't start racking up the pinball numbers until New Orleans, and in general he's been pretty short in the win department throughout that time. But I'm sure he's won people a lot more fantasy games.

 With out looking anything up who were his receivers.. 

[CKSteeler]

Just now, MrnastiesNO said:

 With out looking anything up who were his receivers.. 

He had Gates and Tomlinson. And there was Parker. The WR's weren't the focus of that offense. Weren't meant to be and didn't need to be, particularly back in 2005 which was practically a different game than what we have today. But it was a run first offense with one of the most dominant TE's in NFL history in his prime a RB who was one of the better pass catchers in NFL history playing at a near MVP level behind a strong OL.

Are you going to play the woe is me card for him?

Without looking, who did Ben Roethlisberger have at his skill positions in 2005. Let's see how they stack up to what Brees had. Or Tom Brady's.

[FrantikRam]

On 10/15/2018 at 12:57 PM, SkippyX said:

The 'Rice made Montana' argument is about the weakest anyone can make.

• The Catch happened while Rice was in high school.
• Montana won 2 Super Bowls before Rice left college.
• Montana won 2 Super Bowls with Rice in 6 seasons
  • Young won 1 Super Bowl in 8 seasons with Rice (Zero in 3 years with Rice and Owens)
  • Garcia and Gannon did not win with Rice
• The Chiefs have 4 playoff wins since SB IV (48 years!) and 2 of them were Montana in 2 years.(again, no Rice on the chiefs)

Its just a lazy argument that means nothing.

 

Any argument about New Orleans making Brees (Payton, dome, fast receivers, etc.) is much stronger than Rice making Brady

• Brees was J.A.G. in 5 seasons in San Diego (zero playoff wins)
  • 30-28 with an 84.9 rating

 

Super bowls (and games) are won and lost by teams, not players. Giving a QB credit for wins (and losses) is the worst thing we've done when trying to assess QB play IMO.

I didn't say that Rice made Montana - I'm fully aware that he was successful without him. But when talking about these two QBs, that Montana had the most dominant WR in NFL history and possibly the best player ever in NFL history, while Brees did not, is worth taking into account. Either way, Brees is just a better QB than Montana was.