Woz Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Final say is what matters to me. People rip people all the time for having final say when something doesn’t go wrong and it was ultimately their decisions. *shrugs* Okay ... He's still, at the end of the day, a GM whose led two franchises to a sub 0.500 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Woz said: *shrugs* Okay ... He's still, at the end of the day, a GM whose led two franchises to a sub 0.500 record. You have a HC that the organization claims to have "final say". You have an owner and GM who force the organization to trade 3 firsts and a 2nd for a QB despite the fact that the HC doesn't want to do that trade. Who has "final say"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, MKnight82 said: You have a HC that the organization claims to have "final say". You have an owner and GM who force the organization to trade 3 firsts and a 2nd for a QB despite the fact that the HC doesn't want to do that trade. Who has "final say"? I suspect that might be more rightly classified as owner wanted and a bootlicker who "yessir that's brilliant sir"ed his decision. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezy Fanatic Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Shanahan sucked, but so does Bruce. In fact, everyone associated with this franchises decision making has basically since 1994 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, Jeezy Fanatic said: Shanahan sucked, but so does Bruce. In fact, everyone associated with this franchises decision making has basically since 1994 Including Gibbs. Gibbs had a few good decisions from 04-07 but also some awful trades/not re-signing good players as well and he passed on Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 13 hours ago, turtle28 said: Including Gibbs. Gibbs had a few good decisions from 04-07 but also some awful trades/not re-signing good players as well and he passed on Aaron Rodgers. As did 22 other teams. Do remember that Gibbs traded up before the draft because he was targeting Jason Campbell. At no point did anyone during the lead up to the draft think that Aaron Rodgers would be available at 9, much less 24. Gibbs did a lot to tame some of Snyder's worst impulses as a meddling owner, but he also came from a different era that completely undervalued the draft and did not understand free agency. He was able to improve the defense and had good scouting, but it was for a short runway and didn't build the franchise for the long haul. It also didn't help that the next guy hired was a complete moron and basically fell out of the league three years later (Baltimore QB coach 2010, Kansas City QB coach 2011-2012). However, he will be Houston's XFL head coach in 2020! (something to look forward to @ET80!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Woz said: As did 22 other teams. Do remember that Gibbs traded up before the draft because he was targeting Jason Campbell. At no point did anyone during the lead up to the draft think that Aaron Rodgers would be available at 9, much less 24. Gibbs did a lot to tame some of Snyder's worst impulses as a meddling owner, but he also came from a different era that completely undervalued the draft and did not understand free agency. He was able to improve the defense and had good scouting, but it was for a short runway and didn't build the franchise for the long haul. It also didn't help that the next guy hired was a complete moron and basically fell out of the league three years later (Baltimore QB coach 2010, Kansas City QB coach 2011-2012). However, he will be Houston's XFL head coach in 2020! (something to look forward to @ET80!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, Woz said: However, he will be Houston's XFL head coach in 2020! (something to look forward to @ET80!!!) ... there's a Redskins forum? Neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, ET80 said: ... there's a Redskins forum? Neat. Over 67k posts deep, best recognize. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 42 minutes ago, Woz said: As did 22 other teams. Do remember that Gibbs traded up before the draft because he was targeting Jason Campbell. At no point did anyone during the lead up to the draft think that Aaron Rodgers would be available at 9, much less 24. Gibbs did a lot to tame some of Snyder's worst impulses as a meddling owner, but he also came from a different era that completely undervalued the draft and did not understand free agency. He was able to improve the defense and had good scouting, but it was for a short runway and didn't build the franchise for the long haul. It also didn't help that the next guy hired was a complete moron and basically fell out of the league three years later (Baltimore QB coach 2010, Kansas City QB coach 2011-2012). However, he will be Houston's XFL head coach in 2020! (something to look forward to @ET80!!!) I don’t care what those other 22 teams did, I care that they took Carlos Rogers over Aaron Rodgers. I don’t know that I give Gibbs credit for the defense continuing its improvement that Marty Schottenheimer and Marvin started to build from 2001-2003. That was Gregg Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Over 67k posts deep, best recognize. Or roughly eight times bigger than the Texans' forum. Must be nice to talk to people... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, ET80 said: Or roughly eight times bigger than the Texans' forum. Must be nice to talk to people... You're welcome here anytime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, MKnight82 said: You're welcome here anytime. I'm going to take you up on this (much to @Woz chagrin...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, ET80 said: I'm going to take you up on this (much to @Woz chagrin...) We have a very strict gif posting policy here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, MKnight82 said: We have a very strict gif posting policy here. I can comply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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