SLCbear Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 You have to move him for equal compensation or keep and resign him after testing market .. and let Nagy work his system centered around player talents and less on scheme .. like Brad Stevens for the Celtics. Hope Nagy can do this.. JH is a STuD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 The only reason I'd trade Howard is IF I wouldn't want to pay him once his rookie deal expires (which is actually a concern because of potentially needing to pay Mitch + other deals) And for that to be a valid thing, we'd need someone behind him to step up... I had some hopes for the UDFA we got, who's on the PS.... but he's a poor man's Howard at this point. And we don't really have the picks to go out finding anyone else. As for Howard being a "Plodder" on one of his breakaway runs his first year he was clocked with the 2nd fastest top speed of the month he did it, and a top 7 speed clocked on field for the season. He's got a good top gear, just not the stop/start that. Imo, he's a near elite talent who's underrated in the passing game. He's not Forte as a WR, but he is a better runner. And you don't just dump a guy who's smashed all of your teams rushing records for his first few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxguy7 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 If Howard continues to show progress as a receiver, I’ll take him on an extension in the 5-7M a year range. That pays him somewhere between duke Johnson and Lamar Miller, and slightly less than jerick McKinnon, who I think got overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 5 hours ago, SLCbear said: You have to move him for equal compensation or keep and resign him after testing market .. and let Nagy work his system centered around player talents and less on scheme .. like Brad Stevens for the Celtics. Hope Nagy can do this.. JH is a STuD Nagy should change his system for one guy. Yeah, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, beardown3231 said: Nagy should change his system for one guy. Yeah, got it. Yes, Nagy needs to adapt the scheme to fit his players if they wouldn't fit. That doesn't mean he is scrapping the system. Any playcaller worth a damn would be able to do it. This isn't anything new, even Tice and Loggains were able to do this to some degree. Do you feel Nagy is incapable of utilizing him when Loggains was able to get him to rush for 1300 yards? You're making it sound like we are throwing Michael Bush or Trent Richardson out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 A trade in season is not going to happen. No one should create a hole just to need to fill it when meaningful games are left to be played. Maybe an offseason trade could happen, but you'd have to receive enough value to replace Howard in the draft. I'd say minimum 4th rd pick, maybe two 4ths is what we would get back. Ask more than that and the response would be, "we'll just use a 4th to draft someone controllable." Howard only having one year of control left is going to limit his value, when his position is one of the least valued in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Graham BarfieldVerified account @GrahamBarfield 53m53 minutes ago More Jordan Howard's snap rate over the last month of games: 73% > 62% > 54% > 51% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, G08 said: Graham BarfieldVerified account @GrahamBarfield 53m53 minutes ago More Jordan Howard's snap rate over the last month of games: 73% > 62% > 54% > 51% I'm not sure if he sucks this year or the OL can't run block at all. I don't see any big holes for either him or cohen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Nads786 said: I'm not sure if he sucks this year or the OL can't run block at all. I don't see any big holes for either him or cohen. I'm a broken record but he's run behind a zone blocking scheme since college. This is the first year we've switched to Power and he's struggling. He seems to be running INTO tacklers which is maddening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, G08 said: I'm a broken record but he's run behind a zone blocking scheme since college. This is the first year we've switched to Power and he's struggling. He seems to be running INTO tacklers which is maddening. I'm not seeing holes opening up like before. A lot of the time he is being hit before or at the LOS. We have 13 rushes for negative yards, so about 1 of every 10 is for a loss. We've seen multiple times he and Cohen have been able to just get past the line too. Maybe the OL itself is having some struggles with consistency in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 There’s probably a chart for this somewhere, but how many runs on the edge have we seen Howard get this year? Those stretch plays were the bread and butter chunk gain plays for him the past two years, yet every time I see him getting the ball it’s a run inside the tackles. His usage has really been the one non-creative part of our offense thus far. All of the on the edge runs are going to Cohen. Or Gabriel. I don’t know that it’s the sole reason but I think it’s certainly a factor in Howard’s decreased production thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 15 hours ago, AZBearsFan said: There’s probably a chart for this somewhere, but how many runs on the edge have we seen Howard get this year? Those stretch plays were the bread and butter chunk gain plays for him the past two years, yet every time I see him getting the ball it’s a run inside the tackles. His usage has really been the one non-creative part of our offense thus far. All of the on the edge runs are going to Cohen. Or Gabriel. I don’t know that it’s the sole reason but I think it’s certainly a factor in Howard’s decreased production thus far. The OL is blocking with a different scheme and different technique. I don't see those outside zones anymore where Howard gets the choice to take it to the outside shoulder of the tackle or cut it back if he sees a lane develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 7:57 PM, AZBearsFan said: There’s probably a chart for this somewhere, but how many runs on the edge have we seen Howard get this year? Those stretch plays were the bread and butter chunk gain plays for him the past two years, yet every time I see him getting the ball it’s a run inside the tackles. His usage has really been the one non-creative part of our offense thus far. All of the on the edge runs are going to Cohen. Or Gabriel. I don’t know that it’s the sole reason but I think it’s certainly a factor in Howard’s decreased production thus far. Only 11 of Howard's carries have been outside runs (or 14%). 8 of those 11 have come on plays ran from under center. Week 1: 3 Total (2 on the right side--1 left side) Week 2: 5 Total (5 right side--0 left side) Week 3: 1 Total (0 right side--1 left side) Week 4: 2 Total (1 right side--1 left side) Week 6: 0 Total By comparison, he had 38 after 5 games last season (46%)--including the Bucs game where he missed most of it because his arm--all 38 of those plays were also ran from under center. Meanwhile, 16 of Cohen's 32 total rushes (50%) have been outside runs. I've been saying it all along, the shotgun is really bottlenecking his skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerealKiller Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 How much you want for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, CerealKiller said: How much you want for him Two firsts and a 2021 third... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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