Texas_OutLaw7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 ...this all started with the Blake vs Dak argument...I am not at a loss how it has shifted to wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: http://www.footballperspective.com/correlating-passing-stats-with-wins/ I will try to write this in very simple terms so you can understand. Passing yards only have an extremely low correlation to winning. Here, maybe an NFL QB can explain it: We aren't hurting for passing yards because we are winning so damn much, Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 We are on pace to 6-10 or 7-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 @Matts4313 if what you are saying is true does that mean Daks numbers this year are a bit inflated? Because we are losing so much. And why was Daks best game this year yardage wise a win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas_OutLaw7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 He isn't wrong that yards =/= wins. Much like making more 3's in Basketball doesn't mean you win. Efficiency matters. Only Dak isn't efficient - or rather effective - and the conversation was about Blake being superior in this game, which by every statistical metric should be very likely sans QB Rush. So I am not at all sure why we are down the wrong rabbit hole here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 So once again someone from Dallas has questioned play calling. This time Hurns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said: He isn't wrong that yards =/= wins. Much like making more 3's in Basketball doesn't mean you win. Efficiency matters. Only Dak isn't efficient - or rather effective - and the conversation was about Blake being superior in this game, which by every statistical metric should be very likely sans QB Rush. So I am not at all sure why we are down the wrong rabbit hole here. I'm not arguing that yards automatically mean you win. C'mon. Just defending that they ARE good. Trying to get yards and not being able IS bad. Yards = good. Punts = bad. I'm tired of people lessening the importance of quantifiable QB production to help their personal perceptions of the intangible leader Dak. To the Dak vs. Blake debate. Yes he should beat Dak in every major category. Yards passing. TDs. Comp%, YPA etc....... AND rushing: https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2018/9/10/17843822/nfl-all-time-records-blake-bortles-yards-per-carry-average-among-any-quarterback-ever Just in case you ain't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I can't believe some fans think it's far-fetched to believe Blake Bortles can outperform Dak Prescott. Bortles is better than Prescott. 23-10 Jags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Matts4313 said: If Blake Bortles out performs Dak, would you all like to join me in a mass suicide pact? No, because I expect him to. I expect 2-3 turnovers from Dak on Sunday in an ugly loss. The score may be close, but I expect his performance to be brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, DaBoys said: @Matts4313 if what you are saying is true does that mean Daks numbers this year are a bit inflated? Because we are losing so much. And why was Daks best game this year yardage wise a win? Yardage doesnt correlate to losing either goofball. Thats what the word correlate means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 59 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Yardage doesnt correlate to losing either goofball. Thats what the word correlate means. Is there any correlation between yards per attempt and winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, matt79511 said: Is there any correlation between yards per attempt and winning? yup, about 3x as high as passing yards. Its all in the link I posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 26 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: yup, about 3x as high as passing yards. Its all in the link I posted. Interesting. I've read before that ANY/A is the best stat for measuring QB play. For those interested, Dak Prescott's 2016 ANY/A of 7.86 is the second highest of any rookie QB post-merger. This year, he's down at 4.88, 33rd in the league, which... yikes. Don't think either side is necessarily wrong about him. He's obviously shown promise but needs to step his game up, pronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, matt79511 said: Interesting. I've read before that ANY/A is the best stat for measuring QB play. For those interested, Dak Prescott's 2016 ANY/A of 7.86 is the second highest of any rookie QB post-merger. This year, he's down at 4.88, 33rd in the league, which... yikes. Don't think either side is necessarily wrong about him. He's obviously shown promise but needs to step his game up, pronto. ANY/A is considered the most accurate measure. Actually ANY/A's delta over your opponent. Its somewhere in the 80% correlation to winning. Where as passing yards have almost no correlation. Passing attempts and INT's (duh) are both negative correlation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Is it just me or does it seem like when Dallas plays a team that they say Dallas has little chance to win that Dallas plays better. And when Dallas plays teams they're supposed to win that they end up playing worse. Dallas can be so dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde that it wouldn't surprise me if Dallas' piss poor offense actually has a great game against the Jags number 1 defense. Why I do not know but it seems like Dallas has this kind of unpredictability about them. So since we're supposed to lose we will win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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