Daniel Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, FutureIsWhite said: Wait , so you don’t think the next two preseason games are important for Mariota? Nope. Not even a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureIsWhite Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, ShupacTakur said: How do you figure this? It's not like his starting job is in jeopardy. Everyone thought it wasn’t in jeopardy including myself . Even now it’s not but it’s getting close , alot closer then Mariota would like I can bet. Every Titans forum on the internet is talking about this , radio shows, tv shows , journalist , fans etc. it’s been the talk of the town this week and it’s only PG1 . Can you imagine if RT continues to play like this the next two weeks and Mariota continues to play bad . Can you imagine how much worse all this will be . If that happens JRob and Vrabel will start feeing some heat and As much as they love Marcus, don’t think for a second they won’t do what’s best for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureIsWhite Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Daniel said: Nope. Not even a little. So if Mariota plays twice as much this week and continues his crap play while also looking like he did last week , you don’t think there will be any talk of a change if RT puts up 200 plus and two tds again? Then let’s say it happens again and RT outplays Mariota by a wide margin in game 3 , you don’t think the noise will be even louder? Man you are incredibly confident if you think there’s not a QB battle brewing . Just wait and watch what happens this weekend , more eyes then usual will be on this game . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, FutureIsWhite said: So if Mariota plays twice as much this week and continues his crap play while also looking like he did last week , you don’t think there will be any talk of a change if RT puts up 200 plus and two tds again? Then let’s say it happens again and RT outplays Mariota by a wide margin in game 3 , you don’t think the noise will be even louder? Man you are incredibly confident if you think there’s not a QB battle brewing . Just wait and watch what happens this weekend , more eyes then usual will be on this game . If you mean talk among casual fans, then yeah, there will be. As for talk that matters, between the coaching staff or FO, nope. Vets don't take the preseason seriously, and neither do coaches. For them, it's about shaking off rust, trying a few things that they wouldn't want to experiment with in a game situation, and shuffling players that aren't solidified. It's the preseason. No one who matters cares about anything other than how rookies and roster bubble players are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, FutureIsWhite said: So if Mariota plays twice as much this week and continues his crap play while also looking like he did last week , you don’t think there will be any talk of a change if RT puts up 200 plus and two tds again? Then let’s say it happens again and RT outplays Mariota by a wide margin in game 3 , you don’t think the noise will be even louder? Man you are incredibly confident if you think there’s not a QB battle brewing . Just wait and watch what happens this weekend , more eyes then usual will be on this game . It is like you are rooting for failure. Which in some ways makes the argument weaker, like someone blindly supporting him has a weaker argument. There is no battle brewing. I don't care if Tannehiil throws for 500 yards and 10 TDs. It is preseason. lol Brian Hoyer was 12-14 147 and 2 TDs. And Brady didn't play. Sure sounds like the Patriots are losing faith in Brady. You have been following the NFL long enough to know that preseason stats are fool's good 98% of the time, when it come to evaluation. Let's look at some random preseason superstars shall we? Brett Hundley: September 3, 2015: 16-for-23 passing, 236 yards, four touchdowns, 12 rushing yards Mack Brown RB: August 31, 2016: 19 carries, 149 rushing yards, one touchdown Ryan Nassib's Preseason in 2014: 44 of 74 (59.5 percent) for 588 yards, 5 TD to 0 INT, 107.3 QB rating This year Joe Webb threw for 286 yards with Watson not playing. Should they bench Watson? Chast Littleon (WTF is Chase Littleton) threw for 2 TDs and was 11-15. Cant' forget last year's MVP candidate Tyler Bray who had a 61% completion percentage and over 650 yards passing in the preseason. Forgive my sarcasm and smart tone, but preseason means didley. It is practice that matters and in practice Marcus is clearly the starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureIsWhite Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, KingTitan said: It is like you are rooting for failure. Which in some ways makes the argument weaker, like someone blindly supporting him has a weaker argument. There is no battle brewing. I don't care if Tannehiil throws for 500 yards and 10 TDs. It is preseason. lol Brian Hoyer was 12-14 147 and 2 TDs. And Brady didn't play. Sure sounds like the Patriots are losing faith in Brady. You have been following the NFL long enough to know that preseason stats are fool's good 98% of the time, when it come to evaluation. Let's look at some random preseason superstars shall we? Brett Hundley: September 3, 2015: 16-for-23 passing, 236 yards, four touchdowns, 12 rushing yards Mack Brown RB: August 31, 2016: 19 carries, 149 rushing yards, one touchdown Ryan Nassib's Preseason in 2014: 44 of 74 (59.5 percent) for 588 yards, 5 TD to 0 INT, 107.3 QB rating This year Joe Webb threw for 286 yards with Watson not playing. Should they bench Watson? Chast Littleon (WTF is Chase Littleton) threw for 2 TDs and was 11-15. Cant' forget last year's MVP candidate Tyler Bray who had a 61% completion percentage and over 650 yards passing in the preseason. Forgive my sarcasm and smart tone, but preseason means didley. It is practice that matters and in practice Marcus is clearly the starter. lol , please let’s not have this site become reddit 2.0 and have the Mariota homers flood here. I’ve been coming here long before Mariota so I don’t care who our QB is , I just want the guy who gives us the best chance at winning . I just happen to think it might not be Mariota. I have zero agenda on bashing Mariota , I just want to win and I don’t think our best chance is with Mariota so I’d like to move on before we waste another season. If you think I’m chearing for him to fail your mistaken , I wanted him to succeed more then anyone at one point and time but after the last two god awful years I don’t think he’s the guy. Not to mention you have to be available to be the guy. Also please don’t use those pre season examples for warrant . Hundley played behind Arod so there was no competition. Hoyer played behind Brady Nassib Behind two time Superbowl MVP Eli Manning . RT is playing behind Marcus Mariota , a guy who’s on a prove it year and has yet to stay healthy for an entire season. Totally different scenarios , your examples were 3 Super Bowl mvps and Hofers lol . Edited August 12, 2019 by FutureIsWhite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, FutureIsWhite said: lol , please let’s not have this site become reddit 2.0 and have the Mariota homers flood here. I’ve been coming here long before Mariota so I don’t care who our QB is , I just want the guy who gives us the best chance at winning . I just happen to think it might not be Mariota. I have zero agenda on bashing Mariota , I just want to win and I don’t think our best chance is with Mariota so I’d like to move on before we waste another season. If you think I’m chearing for him to fail your mistaken , I wanted him to succeed more then anyone at one point and time but after the last two god awful years I don’t think he’s the guy. Not to mention you have to be available to be the guy. Also please don’t use those pre season examples for warrant . Hundley played behind Arod so there was no competition. Hoyer played behind Brady Nassib Behind two time Superbowl MVP Eli Manning . RT is playing behind Marcus Mariota , a guy who’s on a prove it year and has yet to stay healthy for an entire season. Totally different scenarios , your examples were 3 Super Bowl mvps and Hofers lol . Ok. well. Good luck with your view. I guess we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureIsWhite Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, KingTitan said: Ok. well. Good luck with your view. I guess we shall see. That we shall... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Person disagrees woth you so you call them a "Mariota homer" like on reddit. First off, stop reading anything on Reddit about football. Second, nothing about pointing out obvious facts like it being very difficult to find a starting QB in the draft makes anyone a homer. Neither does showing realistic examples of what these young "superstars" are likely to be seen as in 3 years. Change for the sake of change and just drafting the next man up is a very short sighted solution to our QB problem. Yes, we do have a QB problem. No, it's not as simple of a fix as letting Mariota walk, and doing so is likely to make us worse sooner than it makes us better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 here's the thing, irrespective of whether you believe in mariota or you don't: preseason games don't matter and it's hilarious to think that they do 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, -Hope- said: here's the thing, irrespective of whether you believe in mariota or you don't: preseason games don't matter and it's hilarious to think that they do Especially when that preseason game was one drive. It's very hard to take anyone seriously when they are making decisions based on what "they saw" last Thursday. I'm glad we have Tannehill and if Mariota gets hurt and Tannehill is winning us games, let him continue to start, even when Mariota heals up. Otherwise, he's not starting. It's not even up for debate unless we start 0-4 and Mariota looks like the reason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, TitanSS said: Especially when that preseason game was one drive. It's very hard to take anyone seriously when they are making decisions based on what "they saw" last Thursday. I'm glad we have Tannehill and if Mariota gets hurt and Tannehill is winning us games, let him continue to start, even when Mariota heals up. Otherwise, he's not starting. It's not even up for debate unless we start 0-4 and Mariota looks like the reason. He'd have to fail on a grand scale. Titans are truly looking for any small reason to extend him in my opinion. If he gets hurt and Ryan plays well bye Marcus. If we go 0-5 and he is playing bad. Bye Marcus. What is likely to happen is we are 5-3 and he is doing ok. Lol and nobody has a true answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureIsWhite Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 10 hours ago, TitanSS said: Person disagrees woth you so you call them a "Mariota homer" like on reddit. First off, stop reading anything on Reddit about football. Second, nothing about pointing out obvious facts like it being very difficult to find a starting QB in the draft makes anyone a homer. Neither does showing realistic examples of what these young "superstars" are likely to be seen as in 3 years. Change for the sake of change and just drafting the next man up is a very short sighted solution to our QB problem. Yes, we do have a QB problem. No, it's not as simple of a fix as letting Mariota walk, and doing so is likely to make us worse sooner than it makes us better. So you have a car that continues to give you struggles . Keeps on breaking down, not reliable , isn’t there when you need it the most So instead of going out and buying a new one , or even going out there to look at the market . You instead decide to keep it continuing to throw money into it while praying that going into the 5th year it’s magically going to start running like new. At some point you have to start looking into a new QB before the window closes on this team, and the longer we keep Marcus the quicker this window closes for a full rebuild . I don’t want to wait another decade before we have a chance to contend , and I truly believe we can find a QB that can put up Mariota numbers for this team anywhere. All I’m trying to say is he’s holding the team back and with what he’s giving us we have zero chance to contend . We can find a guy that puts up his numbers in the draft, free agency, heck even on our own team. 11 and 12 passing tds while also missing a bunch of time isn’t going to win anything for this team. We don’t need a Brady , or a Rodgers , we honestly just need someone capable of being a competent NFL starter as well as being reliable . So thinking that we can’t find someone else that can put up the god awful numbers Mariota has put up then you guys are sadly mistaken. Mariotas numbers are at the bottom of the NFL . Rookies last year outplayed him all over the NFL. Darnold, Mayfield , Mullins , hell even Jackson who can’t throw has the same number of playoff appearances as Marcus . Lastly how would letting Marcus go make us worse lol? Please explain You don’t think we can get 12 TDs and someone who can play at least 80 percent of the season from somewhere else ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, FutureIsWhite said: So you have a car that continues to give you struggles . Keeps on breaking down, not reliable , isn’t there when you need it the most So instead of going out and buying a new one , or even going out there to look at the market . You instead decide to keep it continuing to throw money into it while praying that going into the 5th year it’s magically going to start running like new. At some point you have to start looking into a new QB before the window closes on this team, and the longer we keep Marcus the quicker this window closes for a full rebuild . I don’t want to wait another decade before we have a chance to contend , and I truly believe we can find a QB that can put up Mariota numbers for this team anywhere. All I’m trying to say is he’s holding the team back and with what he’s giving us we have zero chance to contend . We can find a guy that puts up his numbers in the draft, free agency, heck even on our own team. 11 and 12 passing tds while also missing a bunch of time isn’t going to win anything for this team. We don’t need a Brady , or a Rodgers , we honestly just need someone capable of being a competent NFL starter as well as being reliable . So thinking that we can’t find someone else that can put up the god awful numbers Mariota has put up then you guys are sadly mistaken. Mariotas numbers are at the bottom of the NFL . Rookies last year outplayed him all over the NFL. Darnold, Mayfield , Mullins , hell even Jackson who can’t throw has the same number of playoff appearances as Marcus . Lastly how would letting Marcus go make us worse lol? Please explain You don’t think we can get 12 TDs and someone who can play at least 80 percent of the season from somewhere else ? You're delusional if you think even half of the first round QBs drafted over the last 10 years are better than Mariota. Most of them end up like Matt Leinart, Blake Gabbert, Jake Locker, etc.. The list goes on and on. Very few QBs succeed long term. Some do. The car analogy is horrible because very few brand new cars are lemons. That is not the same with new NFL QBs. It's the exact opposite, most of them are lemons. In 4 years when half of these "young star" QBs have been tossed aside maybe you'll see what I mean. But you won't, because there will be a new crop of young studs that everyone is clamoring over and saying "we should go get someone like them!". You don't think the exact same things that are being said about Watson, Mahommes, Mayfield, Darnold, and whoever else wasn't said about the young guys 5vyears ago? Well it was and Andrew Luck is the only one who still is considered good. It's a cycle and you just dont see it because it hasn't happened yet. The truth is no one knows which one of these young guys is the real deal and which ones are duds, but if I had to bet money on it I would say that Mahommes is a star, Mayfield is an average starter, and Houston is wondering if Watson really deserves that second contract. The problem isn't that I don't see Mariota's issues. The problem is that you don't see how unlikely you are to even find an average starting QB in the NFL draft. Edited August 13, 2019 by TitanSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanSS Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Since you have it figured out.. cut Mariota after the next two preseason games... Then what? How do we get better? When do we get our next QB who is clearly better? Who is this magical person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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