abstract_thought Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: It is just crazy that there is a 30 point disparity between him and Gabriel Part of this may be due to Miller's lingering shoulder injury and part of it may be due to the types of routes each player is running. I'm wondering what % of routes run result in targets for each of these players. It seems like Miller gets consistent separation when he's on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: Part of this may be due to Miller's lingering shoulder injury and part of it may be due to the types of routes each player is running. I'm wondering what % of routes run result in targets for each of these players. It seems like Miller gets consistent separation when he's on the field. Next Gen Stats has Miller at 2.7 yards of separation, which is pretty average. Gabriel and Burton are higher for the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Miller makes up 16% of the Bears attempted air yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 Quote @MikeTanier Follow Follow @MikeTanier More Mike Tanier Retweeted Danny C. It's whataboutism applied to the fact that so much of Trubisky's success has come from short passes and YAC. YAC Per Completion Mahomes: 7 Trubsiky: 5.5 Watson: 5.3 Quote @billbarnwell 15% of Trubisky’s passes this year are screens. That’s the highest rate in the league. He’s thrown 5 touchdown passes on screens. That’s the most in the NFL. He also has the highest deep pass rate (22.1%) in the NFL. His passer rating on those throws is 25th out of 27 QBs. ESPN Stats had Patrick Mahomes throwing 53 times behind the line of scrimmage and on 285 attempts that is a rate of 18.5%. Also credited him with 4 TDs thrown on these passes, which makes 5 seem like a more reasonable number. @billbarnwell Follow Follow @billbarnwell More Bill Barnwell Retweeted Addison Jacoby It’s too premature to say anything. So far, though, Trubisky’s inconsistency, emphasis on running under even moderate pressure, and inflated TD total (from screens/touch passes) are very Bortles-esque. Percentage of TD throws within 3 yards or behind the line of scrimmage Mahomes: 8/26, 31% Goff: 6/17 35% Trubisky: 6/15 40% Does not seem very inflated compared to other QBs. @MikeTanier Follow Follow @MikeTanier More Mike Tanier Retweeted Danny C. It's whataboutism applied to the fact that so much of Trubisky's success has come from short passes and YAC. Percentage of Yards made up by YAC Goff: 53% Mahomes: 52% Trubisky: 47% Watson: 41% I am not sure how we can say that Mitch lives on short passes and YAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Yeah, Bill Barnwell is clueless. This is quite obviously a guy who doesn't watch the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 It's obvious that the Bears run a lot of short passes and screens but that's part of the design of Nagy's offense. What's interesting to me is that while Mitch seems willing to take shots downfield, the Bears aren't completing those plays. I think part of that is on Mitch and part of it is due to the inexperience this group has playing together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, abstract_thought said: It's obvious that the Bears run a lot of short passes and screens but that's part of the design of Nagy's offense. What's interesting to me is that while Mitch seems willing to take shots downfield, the Bears aren't completing those plays. I think part of that is on Mitch and part of it is due to the inexperience this group has playing together. Agree. Even with the short shots though he is 7th in attempted air yards and 15th in completed air yards. The Miller 43% completion percentage is just really bad, like shockingly terrible. Hopefully, there is a natural correction through experience and reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 How does one acquire the surname Barnwell, anyway? Probably involves massive amounts of goat fornication, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Just now, G08 said: How does one acquire the surname Barnwell, anyway? Probably involves massive amounts of goat fornication, I reckon. "Unless you're Brady, Brees, Mahomes or Rodgers, you suck." -- Bill Barnwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 4 hours ago, WindyCity said: YAC Per Completion Mahomes: 7 Trubsiky: 5.5 Watson: 5.3 Of those 6(he said 5, so I'm assuming that was before the jets) how many of those were from inside the 5 yard line? I dont recall any real big screen plays or big yac plays other than the one on Sunday. I may be mistaken, admittedly, but it sure seems like Nagy likes to push the ball down the field. And I remember a stat from a couple weeks ago that showed 10 was right behind Mahommes in deep comp % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 6 hours ago, G08 said: How does one acquire the surname Barnwell, anyway? Probably involves massive amounts of goat fornication, I reckon. Barnwell by name, Barn-very-well by reputation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: Of those 6(he said 5, so I'm assuming that was before the jets) how many of those were from inside the 5 yard line? I dont recall any real big screen plays or big yac plays other than the one on Sunday. I may be mistaken, admittedly, but it sure seems like Nagy likes to push the ball down the field. And I remember a stat from a couple weeks ago that showed 10 was right behind Mahommes in deep comp % TD passes within 3 yards of the line or less Mahomes: 8 Trubisky: 6 Watson: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 4 hours ago, WindyCity said: TD passes within 3 yards of the line or less Mahomes: 8 Trubisky: 6 Watson: 5 Windy I'm not talking about the LOS, I'm talking of those 6, how many were from inside the 5 yard line, iow goal line type plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 On 11/1/2018 at 2:21 PM, WindyCity said: Next Gen Stats has Miller at 2.7 yards of separation, which is pretty average. Gabriel and Burton are higher for the Bears. I wouldn't call 2.7 pretty average for a first year WR who is lining up all over the field. Granted 2.7 is the exact average among WR's, but look at last years averages for some of the best wide-outs in the game. DeAndre Hopkins 2.1 Antonio Brown 2.6 Julio Jones 2.4 A.J. Green 2.4 Adam Thielen 2.7 Demaryius Thomas 2.3 Mike Evans 2.1 Alshon Jeffery 1.8 Edit: Keep in mind, most WR's don't start to peak until year 2. Miller is going to be a beast--especially if he is given a full-time X or Z position. Which I expect to be next year.....maybe even late in the season this year. 8 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: Windy I'm not talking about the LOS, I'm talking of those 6, how many were from inside the 5 yard line, iow goal line type plays. % of TDs inside the 5 Mahomes = 32% of 28 total -- 7 Pass \ 2 Rush Trubisky = 29% of 17 total -- 4 Pass \ 1 Rush Watson = 50% of 16 total -- 7 Pass \ 1 Rush Trubisky in 2017 44% of 9 total -- 2 Pass / 2 Rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: Windy I'm not talking about the LOS, I'm talking of those 6, how many were from inside the 5 yard line, iow goal line type plays. 1 shovel pass [Burton] and 1 screen [Cohen] were from the 5 or in and the Miller TD from last game and Gabriel. 2 shovel passes were from the 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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