Extend Mike McCarthy?

[Mazrimiv]

Most young players cycle out naturally after the rookie contract, and I don't see many vet players (4+ years) on the roster who would be difficult to replace.  

Rodgers, Bak, Adams, Daniels, Bulaga (who is near the end regardless)

Is there anyone else?

I don't see where a roster overhaul is a big issue.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I am not sure every coaching change causes a roster overhaul.

In a league where 20% of the roster changes every year, it can seem like there is an overhaul in place.  Given that for the most part, teams only change coaches when the team is losing, many times the team needs roster changes as well.

Hard to say that the roster changes are due to the new coaching staff.  More often lack of talent contributes to the decision to change coaches.

 

[spilltray]

You could argue both that our roster turnover started this year, revamping the DBs completely. Nelson is gone and I don't really expect Cobb to get much, if anything from the Packers on a new deal. Matthews also I'd consider a long shot to be back. Even without a total rebuild this year and next is cycling a large part of the roster. It would only take a few more moves to make it seem scarier.

[squire12]

53 man roster, 10-12 players are turned over each year with draft picks, UDFA, free agents.  Not sure what % turnover is needed to be labeled an "overhaul".

 

[MacReady]

I don't get this talk of roster turnover. 

2 spots at QB are practically guaranteed (Rodgers, Kizer).
2 spots at RB are practically guaranteed (Jones, Williams).
1 spot at TE is practically guaranteed (Graham).
3 spots at WR are practically guaranteed (Adams, MVS, ESB).
3 spots at OL are practically guaranteed (Bakhtiari, Linsley, Taylor).

2 spots at LB are practically guaranteed (Martinez, Burks).
3 spots at DL are practically guaranteed (Lowry, Daniels, Clark).
4 spots at DB are practically guaranteed (Alexander, King, Jackson, Jones).
3 spots at special teams are practically guaranteed (Scott, Bradley, Crosby).

Add the highly unlikely spots (Spriggs, M. Adams, Fackrell, Perry, Murphy). 

That's 23 spots practically guaranteed, add 5 unlikely changes and you're at 28 spots carrying over to next season, which means 25 different players. 

From last season to this season, there are currently 22 players who weren't on our 53 man roster last year.  25 if Kumerow, Wilkerson and Madison weren't on the reserve list. 

Then you've got to count on us not re-signing Allison, Brice, Breeland, Wilkerson, Ryan, Gilbert, Matthews...

You'd also have to assume Moore won't make the team. 

You'd also have to assume Tramon retires or gets cut.

The only likely replacements from our current 53 man roster right now:

1. Boyle
1. Carson
1. Davis (Not even likely considering he's still signed on a rookie contract)
3. Kendricks, Lewis, Tonyan
4. Light, Bell, McCray, Patrick
1. Lancaster
5. Crawford, Gilbert, Matthews, Morrison, Toomer
6. Breeland, Brice, Brown, Green, Redmond, Williams. 

That's 22 players.  That's it.  You have to assume every single one of those is cut or not re-signed.  In addition to that, you have to assume that none of those players will be replaced by players currently on IR.  Allison, House, Kumerow, Madison, Murphy, Ryan, Wilkerson. 

Even if we get a new head coach, a new head coach isn't going to want to cut a return specialist or not re-sign Breeland, Brice, Allison, Murphy, Ryan, Wilkerson...

You're looking at a max of 22 spots turned over. 

That's pretty standard for every team. 

[Breesus mode]

Saw this video and thought it would be worth sharing.

 

[MacReady]

8:24 in that video.  ESB is open.  Rodgers waits, then throws a bad pass.  This is what I've been referring to.  Those delays in which Rodgers doesn't throw the ball leads to defenders closing, pass rush closing, drives dying.  I don't know why the dude in the video is blaming McCarthy on that play specifically when it worked.

Turn the video speed to .25 normal speed on YouTube.  ESB is open at 8:23/8:24 and looking for the ball.  It is at least a first down.  There are like 4 yards between ESB and the nearest defender.  ESB is right at the edge of the tackle box.  The ball doesn't come out of Aaron's hands until ESB is right at the numbers.  There are no pass rushers near Rodgers.  He hops not once, but twice before the throws it, and the throw is behind ESB.  The guy says Rodgers needs to make a pinpoint perfect throw even though he highlights when ESB is open, and neglects the fact that ESB runs another ten yards before Rodgers even throws him the ball.  It's just ridiculous.  It was a good play call that worked with terrible execution by Rodgers, the highest paid QB in the league. 

God that video is annoying.  It literally shows a bunch of times in one single game Rodgers ignored open receivers, and yet it's all about how McCarthy is gonna get Rodgers killed.  Rodgers left so many points on the field in that Patriots game. 

Freeze it at 13:51 and tell me that's not 7 points to MVS.  If you listen, it's not Aaron's fault because rookie receivers dropped two previous passes that Rodgers didn't make good throws on.  Lol.  Never Aaron's fault. 

[Gopackgonerd]

1 hour ago, Outpost31 said:

8:24 in that video.  ESB is open.  Rodgers waits, then throws a bad pass.  This is what I've been referring to.  Those delays in which Rodgers doesn't throw the ball leads to defenders closing, pass rush closing, drives dying.  I don't know why the dude in the video is blaming McCarthy on that play specifically when it worked.

Turn the video speed to .25 normal speed on YouTube.  ESB is open at 8:23/8:24 and looking for the ball.  It is at least a first down.  There are like 4 yards between ESB and the nearest defender.  ESB is right at the edge of the tackle box.  The ball doesn't come out of Aaron's hands until ESB is right at the numbers.  There are no pass rushers near Rodgers.  He hops not once, but twice before the throws it, and the throw is behind ESB.  The guy says Rodgers needs to make a pinpoint perfect throw even though he highlights when ESB is open, and neglects the fact that ESB runs another ten yards before Rodgers even throws him the ball.  It's just ridiculous.  It was a good play call that worked with terrible execution by Rodgers, the highest paid QB in the league. 

God that video is annoying.  It literally shows a bunch of times in one single game Rodgers ignored open receivers, and yet it's all about how McCarthy is gonna get Rodgers killed.  Rodgers left so many points on the field in that Patriots game. 

Freeze it at 13:51 and tell me that's not 7 points to MVS.  If you listen, it's not Aaron's fault because rookie receivers dropped two previous passes that Rodgers didn't make good throws on.  Lol.  Never Aaron's fault. 

Ya that ESB pass at the initial look thought it was tight coverage on TV, but  he was wide open, old Rodgers would throw that ball even before he sets. I think the only logical  thing effecting Rodgers play that's not him is that interior pressure, that's where those quick sacks come from and Rodgers has no chance. McCarthy does need to run it more though if Rodgers is playing like this. 

[{Family Ghost}]

One word .. Dysfunction!  Another word .. Unacceptable!  A fish rots from the head down!

[MacReady]

Just now, Gopackgonerd said:

McCarthy does need to run it more though if Rodgers is playing like this. 

Yep.  Really baffling to me.  Our offense could be a running offense right now that just so happens to have a QB capable of being elite.  We really should be running 30 times a game keeping our defense off the field, but we aren't.  Of course I wonder how much of that is on Rodgers, but that's something we'll never know. 

I say turn into a running offense until our passing offense figures it out (thanks to the running success). 

The talent is there.  It's all there.  We are a 3-4 team that nobody in this league can beat if we wake up and play to our ability, and that's why I don't get the McCarthy hate. 

17-17 ready for a go ahead score in Foxborough in the fourth quarter until an Aaron Jones fumble.
27-29 with 2 minutes left if not for a Montgomery fumble.

Those are two games in which our offense wasn't even playing to what they were capable of.  Two road games against two of the top 4 teams in the NFL.  Literally nobody wants to play the Packers if we get it together enough to make them.  But fire McCarthy. 

[MacReady]

Just now, {Family Ghost} said:

One word .. Dysfunction!  Another word .. Unacceptable!  A fish rots from the head down!

Yeah, a fish rots from the head down, but it's really tough for that fish to swim if its tail and fins are deformed.  In this analogy, McCarthy is the head of the fish and Rodgers is the tail propelling the fish's head along.  The head can only tell the tail what to do, it can't magically heal the tail.  This is like when I had pet turtles and I brought home some minnows one day to add to the terrarium thinking it would add to the terrarium.  Dumped all the minnows in and there was one minnow that was without a tail.  It flopped its way in the water and, to my horror, got bit right in half by a turtle that was sick of turtle food flakes.  That minnow's head knew exactly what to do against that turtle, but its tail was not up to the task.  Poor bastard.  Hopefully McCarthy doesn't turn into that minnow. 

[{Family Ghost}]

3 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

 

17-17 ready for a go ahead score in Foxborough in the fourth quarter until an Aaron Jones fumble.
27-29 with 2 minutes left if not for a Montgomery fumble.

Those are two games in which our offense wasn't even playing to what they were capable of.  Two road games against two of the top 4 teams in the NFL.  Literally nobody wants to play the Packers if we get it together enough to make them.  But fire McCarthy. 

We also play down to our competition on a regular basis.  We are the epitome of mediocre.

[{Family Ghost}]

3 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Yeah, a fish rots from the head down, but it's really tough for that fish to swim if its tail and fins are deformed.  In this analogy, McCarthy is the head of the fish and Rodgers is the tail propelling the fish's head along.  The head can only tell the tail what to do, it can't magically heal the tail.  This is like when I had pet turtles and I brought home some minnows one day to add to the terrarium thinking it would add to the terrarium.  Dumped all the minnows in and there was one minnow that was without a tail.  It flopped its way in the water and, to my horror, got bit right in half by a turtle that was sick of turtle food flakes.  That minnow's head knew exactly what to do against that turtle, but its tail was not up to the task.  Poor bastard.  Hopefully McCarthy doesn't turn into that minnow. 

Nice analogy, but I think McCarthy deserves the lion's share of the blame.  He's had a wounded QB for most of this year, but will not do anything to take pressure of the guy.  McCarthy is still treating things like his QB is performing at peak efficiency.  It's always on Rodgers .. if he has a mediocre game they lose.  I think his mechanics and timing are off a bit, and he can't plant and torque like we are used to seeing.  The lack of practice time and the changes he had to make to his game to perform with an injured knee have had a negative effect on his overall game.  Everything is just out of sync. Obviously they should be running the ball much more than they are.  The offensive struggles go  back three season now I think.  It's fallen off the map compared to where it used to be.  The outside chatter about issues with the McCarthy's offense is concerning.  I think it's time for a change if we can find the right guy.  

[MacReady]

Just now, {Family Ghost} said:

We also play down to our competition on a regular basis. 

Prove it. 

Redskins are 5-3.  We lost to them by 14 in Washington when our offense was stopped twice on downs and fumbled the ball once.  A better offense means less drives for the Redskins, less points against our defense and more points scored against the Redskins.  The Redskins game doesn't count as playing down to the competition.  They're a good team. 

Bills haven't been shut out once by any other team.  You can't say you play down to the competition when you're the only team in the NFL to shut them out this year. 

Lions gave up 23 points and scored 31 points.  17 of those 31 points came on LITERALLY 22 yards gained.  That is one bad call from the refs (King "touching" the punt, Lions scoring a TD from the one), two bad fumbles by Rodgers. 

I will grant that our defense is bad on opening drives.  Niners shouldn't have scored on that opening drive.  Then the Niners beat us twice deep to Goodwin.  After the second long Goodwin TD, we gave up a field goal, field goal, field goal punt, punt, interception in their final five drives.  That's one example of playing down to our competition, and it's a stretch.  Beathard put up 298 yards and two touchdowns against the Rams.  Was that the Rams playing down to their competition, or do the Niners maybe have a really good offensive head coach? 

[Gopackgonerd]

 

 

38 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Yep.  Really baffling to me.  Our offense could be a running offense right now that just so happens to have a QB capable of being elite.  We really should be running 30 times a game keeping our defense off the field, but we aren't.  Of course I wonder how much of that is on Rodgers, but that's something we'll never know. 

I say turn into a running offense until our passing offense figures it out (thanks to the running success). 

The talent is there.  It's all there.  We are a 3-4 team that nobody in this league can beat if we wake up and play to our ability, and that's why I don't get the McCarthy hate. 

17-17 ready for a go ahead score in Foxborough in the fourth quarter until an Aaron Jones fumble.
27-29 with 2 minutes left if not for a Montgomery fumble.

Those are two games in which our offense wasn't even playing to what they were capable of.  Two road games against two of the top 4 teams in the NFL.  Literally nobody wants to play the Packers if we get it together enough to make them.  But fire McCarthy. 

Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Pat Maholmes, Jared Goff, they all are really successful because of good run games, sucks that we can't commit to it like their offenses. Balance is key to a good offense. That's why we were so good when we ran it more with Grant, Lacy and Starks. McCarthy did it back then, dont know why he doesn't now.